I made one at work yesterday. I took a big piece of cardboard paper and wrote out the letters of the alphabet. I even made a triangle shaped pointer thingy. I put it on the table and in my spookiest voice asked, "Oh great spirits of the unknown. I humble myself before your power and inquire of the great beyond. How many hours overtime will I be forced to work tonight???" The board seemed to shudder, picked ITSELF off the table, fell on the ground and burst into flames. I took this to be a bad sign.
Any athiest tried a Ouji Board?
by Marilyn 68 Replies latest jw friends
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AMarie
Although I've never used a ouija board, I do believe in supernatural spirits of some kind. Let me tell you a little story.
Once night, about five years ago, I was at a meeting and came home right after it ended. Of course, me family loves to talk and they usual are the very last to leave the hall at night, so I was by myself for sometime. After I got home, I put my books away and sat down on the couch for awhile to relax. I was kind of in a daze, staring off into space when I noticed something out of the corner of my eye. When I looked over at the other couch, the pillow on it was wiggling around, kinda like somebody had thrown it. It freaked me out. I just told myself that I didn't see anything and went to my room, locking my door.
True story. I didn't tell anybody about it for a long time because they would probably think I was crazy. But after a few months, I told my older sister about it. She looked dumbfounded, and told me about numerous experiences she had had in our house. It would take up quite a bit of space to tell you about it, but it was fucked up.
I really do think they are out there. It just depends on how intuitive and sensitive you are to your surroundings.
AMarie
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JosephAlward
Funkyderek believes,
Knowing that a rainbow is simply a phenomenon of light refracting through water droplets does not make it any less beautiful...
This raises an interesting question for biblical literalists who may believe that the first rainbow was set in the clouds for Noah as a sign of his new covenant with man.I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud" (Genesis 9:8-14)
If this was the first rainbow, how do inerrantists account for the absence of rainbows until then? If it wasn't the first rainbow, then there was nothing special about the one God showed Noah, was there?Joseph F. Alward
"Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible" -
D wiltshire
When I was about 14(now 48) a friend and myself played with ouji board.
I asked it who I was going to get married to and how old I was going to be when I got married.
It spelled out my wife's name Marion, when it spelled out the first 3 letters I was so happy because I thought it was going to spell Mary a girl I had a crush on for a long time.
It also said I would get married at 23 yrs old, both came true.
About 3 years ago was the first time I recalled what the ouiji board said and felt worried because I was still a JW under mind control and had been taught the demons don't know the future. So when recalling this I wondered how come the demons knew my future wife's name, and if they had anything to do with my marring her through manipulation.Any way it's the truth take it or leave it.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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teejay
Go to http://www.math.unh.edu/~black/cgi-bin/spirit.cgi.
You can use your mouse as a pointer.
I tried it. I don't have no candles, but I made sure all the lights were off.
I asked a simple question... my wife's name. I made sure to whisper the question. Asked three times. After a while and nothing happened, I whispered the answer. Maybe they noted a hint of disbeleif in my voice?
Still... nothing happened.
I touched the screen were the first letter of her name was. You know... to help the powerful spirits get a clue. The cursor still didn't move. At first I was shocked, but then I figured, "they are oldtimers, and the computer age is new to them." I gave up.
I'm on my way to find a used grocery bag and a crayon to make an old-fashioned board. Maybe they know how to use one of those.
I'll get back to ya...
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funkyderek
Sirona,
Stop saying things that insinuate my beliefs are false! You simply cant prove that they are false, if we're talking about testables.
That's true, because you believe in an untestable phenomenon without evidence. Of course I can't prove they're false, anymore than you can prove there isn't an invisible elf sitting on my shoulder. It doesn't mean the belief is worthy of consideration.I care if someones belief hurts them, or someone else. However, I think everyone is entitled to spend their life believing anything they want to, whether others agree or not.
I agree, people have the right to believe whatever they want just as I have the right to point out the flaws in their belief system.I do not belong to a church. Being pagan, I would not let my life be lost if someone didnt agree with my beliefs, neither would I kill. The problem you describe is not that peoples beliefs may be false, just how they act on those beliefs.
Any decent person would act according to their beliefs. Anyone who acts against their beliefs is a hypocrite. If their beliefs tell them (for example) that enemies of God's kingdom must be destroyed, then that's what they've got to do. My beliefs tell me I only have the right to kill or injure another in self-defence. Other people have different beliefs. Should I respect these beliefs and only disagree with their actions?Im also amazed that you liken anyones beliefs to the JWs....lets face it, there are sects and cults, in religion there is control, but that doesnt make any belief invalid.
Beliefs which are not true are invalid. That's my belief. I also believe that it's only valid if it's correct. If you believe my beliefs are valid, your own cannot be.You use the words "demonstrably untrue" and "cannot possibly be true". Well I would not say that of YOUR beliefs (namely that things like the Ouija are NOT contacting supernatural forces). You CANNOT say that of mine - e.g. apply your own rules. prove to me my beliefs "cannot possibly be true".
You're right, your beliefs are not testable and therefore not falsifiable. That means that nobody can ever provide you with evidence to change your beliefs. Nothing anyone can say can ever cause you to believe anything else, unless you arbitrarily decide to change them. It means your beliefs are exactly as valid as the belief that there is an invisible elf on my shoulder. Congratulations.There may be reasons that you are unaware of that make the existence of spirits unverifyable. You just dont know.
Same goes for my little elf, and an infinite number of other imaginary phenomena.I think you should be tolerant and respectful towards other's beliefs. Personally I dont believe the same thing as Christians, but I dont go around telling them that they are superstitious and gullible, I dont talk to them in a condescending manner.
Nor do I, unless they state or imply to me that their beliefs are correct. If someone tells me that the capital of Australia is Sydney I will (sometimes) correct them. If someone tells me that the world was created 6,000 years ago I will do the same. I will defend anybody's right to believe either of those things, but I will not pussyfoot around and pretend that they're not completely wrong. Why would any honest person be threatened by someone challenging their beliefs. If you're wrong, isn't it better to find out?I accept that there is a chance that they are right and I am wrong, possibly.
They're not right. Christians (at least those who take the bible literally) believe things which cannot possibly be true. From the little I know of your beliefs you could be right, but there's no reason to believe you are.Or we are both right in our own way. Have you ever heard of phenomenological reality?
More likely you're both wrong in your own way. Phenomenology means that everything is ultimately untestable, and that there is no external reality. To be honest, I'm only vaguely familiar with the philosophy so I can't comment in detail but my beliefs have always presupposed an independent objective reality. I suppose that's ultimately untestable but I think it's the only way of creating a consistent useful model of reality and it seems to work very very well.--
Those who can induce you to believe absurdities can induce you to commit attrocities - Voltaire -
Sirona
Ok FunkyD we could go on forever, however I feel I must say:
Do you have evidence that you are right, that there is no God and no spirit world? No
DO I have evidence that there is a God and a spirit world? No
I dont understand, therefore, how you can be so arrogant and say that you are right, and speak about other peoples beliefs in a condescending way. It seems to me that you expect everyone else to prove their beliefs, but your beliefs are based on lack of any evidence too.
You seem to be very arrogant to be honest. I was having a debate about things, but you have consistently said things which I consider to be insulting. Funkyd is right, everyone else is wrong.
Ever heard of respecting other peoples views? Ever heard of religious tolerance?
Sirona
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Sirona
I spent a lot of my life thinking I knew everything... now-a-days I don't mind saying, "I don't know"; "Maybe I'm wrong";
Thanks Teejay. I am open to the possibility that my beliefs about spirits are wrong, maybe its something I believe just through unexplainable experiences of my own. I think I have a right to believe it though, and people like Funky Derek really annoy me - not because he disagrees, but because he cannot respect choice of beliefs.
Sirona
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funkyderek
Do you have evidence that you are right, that there is no God and no spirit world? No
Of course I don't because no such evidence can possibly exist, even in principle. No matter how many tests show absolutely no evidence of a spirit world, there is always the theoretical possibility that gods or spirits exist and are simply hiding.
DO I have evidence that there is a God and a spirit world? No
So you believe in powerful invisible beings without any evidence? Why exactly, and how do you decide which spirit beings to believe in? Do you just pick your favourites?It seems to me that you expect everyone else to prove their beliefs, but your beliefs are based on lack of any evidence too.
No, my lack of belief is based on a lack of evidence. Things I postively believe in are supported by evidence, otherwise I wouldn't believe in them. If the evidence I have turns out to be faulty, then I change my beliefs. That's how I learn.You seem to be very arrogant to be honest. I was having a debate about things, but you have consistently said things which I consider to be insulting. Funkyd is right, everyone else is wrong.
I didn't mean to be insulting. I was challenging your beliefs, not you. I don't get upset when my beliefs are challenged, and I sometimes forget that other people do. It's better not to but I respect your right to do so
I'm not certain that I'm right, but if I didn't think I was right, I would change my beliefs until I did. And if I'm right, you must be wrong.Ever heard of respecting other peoples views? Ever heard of religious tolerance?
I respect your right to hold whatever views you like, and I would defend you against anyone who tried to take those rights away. But I also have rights. My right to express my beliefs includes the right to challenge other people's beliefs. Believe in fairy tales if you wish but on a public discussion board, you should expect unsupported claims to be challenged. Try not to take it personally.--
Those who can induce you to believe absurdities can induce you to commit attrocities - Voltaire -
Sirona
Funky Derek
I've calmed down now. I see your point.
In fact, I think you are quite lovely.
Sirona