Just finished our District Convention

by BonaFide 48 Replies latest jw friends

  • Mary
    Mary
    The killer is that when I told my family, they said, "Well, we want to be balanced, and if the brothers in Africa don't have one, why should we?" I answered, "Then why do we have air-conditioning? And why do we have a First-Aid Department?" They got upset WITH ME and said I ask weird questions

    No, they got upset with you because you asked a reasonable and logical question that conflicted with what the Assembly Overseer said and they had no way to respond to it.

    and to trust in the resurrection, and the best place to die is the assembly.

    That has got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my life. Unfortunately, your familly, like alot of Witnesses, are thoroughly brainwashed and cannot see the insanity of some of their beliefs. I'm glad you've discovered this place, as most of us have gone through the exact same thing.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    More canned "experiences", I bet. People are supposedly quitting college or their jobs and pioneering. That's one that is a blatant lie--I wonder how many more blatant lies there are. And I wonder if the mic was actually active--or if they were playing a MP3 on the mic input.

    As for getting caught here, that is not very likely. I still refuse to give exact dates, and I still blur details that could get me caught in one shot. Being careful not to give exact details will make extra work for any hounder that is trying to bust you, and they might have to read more posts than they care to (and risk getting stumbled themselves).

    What you are likely to get caught is independent thinking within the Kingdumb Hell. That is where you really need to be extra careful, because one bad comment will get you sent in the back room with Brother Hounder. Giving a talk with one bad comment will do the same thing. Or, if you are out in field circus and wish to go in at a set time, and they do The Last Call Dragout. It doesn't take much--if the hounders tell you to do something that is totally out of line, and you refuse to do it, they could take that for disregarding theocraptic arrangement. Hence, apostasy. That is more likely than getting busted posting here.

  • Mutz
    Mutz

    Did they tell you when Armageddon is coming or are we still 'on the brink'? :)

  • The Lone Ranger
    The Lone Ranger

    Its not that easy getting caught on this forum or anywhere else on the net. I am still considered a JW, I go to most meeting and still do a bit of Field service.

  • RedPill2006
    RedPill2006
    I am still considered a JW, I go to most meeting and still do a bit of Field service.

    Funny, isn't it? Heck, I still receive "privileges", they keep pushing stuff on me, eventhough I've dismissed from being an elder....have made them understand that I don't "jump and dance" anymore, miss more meetings than ever, and STILL get to read the Watchtower, Prayer, Reading at the book study, THE MIC SHOW, ....

    ......there are two MS in the Hall that are absolute stiff "Heil"-We-do-everything guys and I enjoy seeing that, everytime I have some monkey show, they are pissed, because technically I am a NOBODY, but have the same ranking as them (plus i get to miss a lot of meetings and barely go out in service, just to keep the slip with a figure......some months even a roughly invented figure, but a number is a number I just can't put there 70 hours and nobody sees me at any service meeting....would look suspicious.

    RedPill2006.

  • JeffT
    JeffT
    and the best place to die is the assembly

    Considering how I felt the last time I was at an assembly (1988 - not counting protesting) I wanted to die. Or at least get it over with.

    I went to that one knowing I needed to make up my mind about where I stood with the borg. My wife and I decided to go with an attitude that we'd never heard any of it before, and see what we thought. I think we both knew we were out of there about an hour after it started. But we had family staying with us, and had to sit through the whole thing.

  • mcsemike
    mcsemike

    Hi Satanus: It does seem like God throws some dice and picks. The funny part is that the CO's and elders also pick and choose. They always choose the ones who live their lives EXACTLY as they are told. What good little robot's they are!! No moustache (often) skirt way long enough, blouse buttoned at neck, "proper" haircuts, and if the couple is engaged and being interviewed, don't touch each other, not even a hand. Use the speaker to pass things to each other. And of course, during this "spontaneous" speaking or story telling, make sure you don't look at your notes too much. After all, you should be gushing and bubbling over as you tell everyone about your joy.

    I never thought of it this way, but when you think about it, most teenagers in the USA have more freedom of thought and other choices than a married couple in their 60's. If they had grandchildren who were NOT being raised as JW's, those kids would have more rights and freedoms that adults. It's a little scary. But most of all it's sad and twisted. How can children grow up properly with robot-like zombies for parents and grandparents. In my book that's child abuse.

    My main concern is the abuse situation since my child was a victim and my marriage ended in divorce. I was the biggest apostate in NJ, and now I'm steadily working to be the number one apostate here in Florida. I put the flag outside every day (Dad was a Marine in WW2. I go to Christmas parties. I say "gesundheit" when people sneeze. This all sounds silly, but it's a pattern of behavior that we need to develop now that we are free.

    Bonafide, it's good to see you here. You made many good points. The others here know more about keeping your secret safe than I do so please let them help you. In my case, I've left so many clues, Inspector Clusause (sp?) should be able to ID me. They either DF'd me and didn't tell me or they don't want the fight, grief, wasting time, and most of all they don't want the financial and publicity bloodshed that they know I'll give them if they play games or try to turn my daughter against me.

    I also loved your story. You told it very well and you're quite insightful. The girl not mentioning college? "Theocratic lying by omission". They all knew damn well how that would look. Hypocrites. Call 911? (They'd never get it right, after pushing "9", they'd probably spend 20 minutes looking for the "11" button.) From where? Certainly not from those cell phones that they shouldn't own because they are "inventions by Satan to distract us from serving Jehovah". Along with TV's, VCR's, computers (very wicked, it actually lets you read something worthwhile in life that you'd never see in the mags), two door cars, and overtime on your job. I don't know how Satan invented all that, but I bet he's rich from the royalties on his patent.

    Weird questions? I guess so! Anyone who thinks on his own and uses common sense is going to be weird. They rarely see it. Like here in Florida if a few snowflakes come down once every 10 winters. Dying at the assembly?? I could choke on my coffee from laughing. When the ambulance showed up, someone would probably try to place literature with the medical staff as they load up the sick or the dead body. I certainly hope if I ever died at an assembly that they'd show more respect than they do. The attendant captain would probably tell them to sit me up in a seat in the back row. Oh, no, the front is better. I'd blend right in: not moving, staring at the speaker (no blinking), sitting up stiff with proper posture as rigor mortus set in. Yeah, that I'd like to see.

    I was so glad that you spoke with that elder. It probably meant the world to him that you apologized and showed you valued him. Most CO's I've met are arrogant, snotty, and sarcastic. (I can do sarcastic too.) We had a Bro. Conti in NJ for awhile. He'd yell at the attendants to sit down when they were counting people. His best line was, "You know, I could be retired in Florida right now. I didn't have to do this. But we must serve God." I sure hope I don't bump into him.

    I'll close now and once again I hope you post often.

  • mcsemike
    mcsemike

    "Trust in the resurrection." Yeah, right.

    First, looking ahead with an almost enthusiastic to dying, is a sick and twisted way to live. I once saw a zealous brother, while placing the blue Truth book, harp on how glad the JW's were to see the time fly by since they'd be in Paradise soon. The non-JW asked, "Why do you people "wish" your lives away?" A lot of wisdom in that question.

    The second point I'd like to make is my suspicion that the WT is preparing the rank and file for more failed predictions about Armageddon. First of all, this is a sick way to bring up children with all this doom and gloom. The JW's are no longer able to stop and admire a mountain lake, sunset, etc. They'll too busy wishing they'd die in their sleep or that when they are out in field service and they go to Dunkin' Donuts to have their Bible study with the cashier (heavy sarcasm there), that they will choke to death on a 4 pound donut filled with creme and covered in chocolate. Yes, we have to care for our gift of live from the Creator.

    Now, dying in the assembly hall. The last thing the JW's need is to bring bodies out of the hall to the ambulance waiting outside. The cops will be trying to see what happened. Did they die of old age? Sickness? Boredom and their brain melted? Were they taken in the back room because they were apostates sitting there as spies and 5 big elders beat them up? Or did they have a part on the program and then later on God struck them down dead because they lied? Dying at a meeting is something I don't see why they want it. It would be better at home if possible with family.

    ****** My main suspicion is that the JW's are being set up for another prediction cop-out. If Armageddon is around the corner, why tell people to hint that the resurrection will be the only way ANY JW now living will see daylight again. If Armageddon is coming within a year, why should JW's buy burial plots and plan to die in the far future, especially if they are teens now. Jesus, what a crock. Will these people ever stop lying??

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    They don't have an AED (Automatic External Defibrillator) at the Assembly Hall.

    When you start seeing it as just a corporation or even as an anti-truth, it is
    amazing what you will notice.

    No matter the low cost, it is not required by law so they don't want an AED.
    If they had it, they would have to have people qualified to use it.
    If they had it, they would be worried about lawsuits from anyone they use it on.
    They might figure that heart-problem folks won't contribute much money to the
    organization anyway, what with their low window-washing salary and their high
    medical expenses, so they could just let them die.

    It's not like the individual matters to them. You know that much.

    "Then why do we have air-conditioning? And why do we have a First-Aid Department?

    Excellent reasoning.

  • sass_my_frass
    sass_my_frass

    It gets better.

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