Amicus..My post wasn`t directed at anyone,except JK666.....He seems to have an obsession with me..HS`s penis..And..Sex with barnyard animal`s......No,I`m not kidding.......It`s a matter of public record..................
...OUTLAW
The entire US must change to CFL bulbs by 2016! It's the law! Good or Bad?
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OUTLAW
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hillary_step
Outlaw,
He seems to have an obsession with.......HS`s penis..
Who can blame him.
HS
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purplesofa
lol@HS
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OUTLAW
LOL@HS!!!!!................
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amicus
corporations deal with chemical pollutants. You may view these laws as an 'intrusion', I view them as an essential protection for the future generations
I'll toss this one out there, these laws are circumvented in the real world of Construction. Here in the US anyways, the dollar rules, everyone has their price. I'll not relate my personal history with rules being bent for $$$.
One needs to trust in government to insure anarchy dosent reign, but damn...how optimistic can we be?
Seriously...I want proof.
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BurnTheShips
What the hell ever happened to 'free choice'? It is the law that we must change - no choice. Yet look at the NEW DISASTER this creates!
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stillajwexelder
and if the government did nothing some would cry "What we need is Leadership"
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AK - Jeff
I think that you are being unecessarily emotive about this Jeff. This is not about people being forced to wear the same clothes, and sing the same songs in North Korean. This is about protecting our own environment and not soiling our own beds.
People are far too selfish to be relied upon to make decisions in their lifestyles for the sake of others. The seatbelt laws have already been mentioned and they are very good example. When first implemented in the UK, there was fierce opposition from those who based their arguments on a similar foundation to your own. Think now about the tens of thousands of lives saved through this government 'intrusion'.
Do you think if it was a voluntary requirement most people would have chosen to do the right thing?
HS
Unfortunately, you are likely correct. I really do understand the reason it is done. I don't just resent the 'intrusion'. I am quite fearful that the basis for fair success in our form or government is potentially being slowly eroded by replacing our freedoms and individuality with dictates and forced compliance to issues in which such forced compliance is not needed.
Let me site a brief experience of late that suggests that other approaches, outside of legislation might prove effective.
Our corporation is getting on the 'green wagon'. I applaud that. They recently launched a program in which they are encouraging a 'pledge' from employees to be 'green minded' and take specific action to reduce our individual carbon footprint on the environment. There is no force, no coercion, no demand. They took a simple survey of all the employee's views of the matter. It was found that fully 97% [at last count] of the employees in our facility have begun personal programs to reduce and conserve. Voluntarily they are recycling, driving slower, buying hybrids, installing CFL's or low voltage lighting, etc. The corporation is aiding the idea with positive encouragement to do so.
I am not indicating that all people will be responsible. Of course they wouldn't be. But I also do not think that 'forced compliance with governmentally developed solutions' is the answer either. As has been seen here, as a sample of the reaction, many will still circumvent the demanded solution due to personal objection to the idea that Big Government has all the solutions we need. Or maybe just because they prefer to make the choice themselves about something as simple as what lightbulb to use in the lamp beside their bed.
The solid reality has often been that real solutions, and real commitment to them, comes not from governmental efforts to 'legislate' the people, but by the private sector and encouragement to find answers that work without forcing them on others. An example of that is the matter of hybrid automobiles. The development of them, the purchase of them, the use of them, is being driven by responsible individual effort - not by governmental intervention. That is not to say, of course, that the gov't has no interest in such things. They certainly do. They contribute in very positive ways to the situation in that instance. But, they have not legislated that we must all drive Chinese manufactured hybrid automobiles within the next 8 years. Such legislation would vastly reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. They regulate some things that affect this production of course. They help drive it by legislation that forces reduction of certain pollutants for example. But they don't force either the auto manufacturers or the buying public to use a single sort of automobile.
By pressure they can assist change without demanding a single solution. Communities can be encouraged to reduce chemical out-gassing, thereby creating public awareness of solutions that can be personally chosen and applied to reduce the problem. Local communities can fire programs that would develop awareness and participation in reducing our use of petrochemicals and greenhouse gasses.
In short - what I am perhaps over-optimistic about is that people can and will do the right thing if it is properly addressed and given fair open debate. As stated - though I am opposed to legislation requiring me to buy and use CFL's, I am very much in personal favor of using them in some if not all of my fixtures.
This is really, to me, about erosion of the constitutional foundation. Not about light bulbs.
I take your points as accurate perhaps - I just prefer to believe that man can be better motivated by means that avoid rescinding personal choice when it is not indicated as the only solution.
Jeff
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hillbilly
Follow the money........ those who have to most to gain are producers of CFLS.
The CFL has been around for a long time. If left on for long periods (overnight for example) or in places that need full time lighing (like a stairwell) they give very long life. Flourecent lamps that are turned off and on wont last as long as ones that are not cycled often. For years we have known that flourecent fixtures "payback" efficently in big buildings with steady lighting loads... Flourecent fixtures in the house dont really amount to a hill of beans in the big picture.
The Govt needs to spend it's time funding grants for solar, isulation upgrades ...window upgrades... geothermal and passive upgrades. Buildings with high heat loss cost way more than CFLS will save.
Those investments are hard to sell. Most people who are not aware dont realise that a heating plant upgrade will pay for itself in less than 10 years and often less than 5..just in fuel costs alone. The CFL is a cheap sell and makes easy sound-bites for representatives who vote for such laws.
That being said.... I have placed CFLS in a lot of hard to reach places and in most of my outdoor lighting...have for years. If the light quality bothers you Flourecent and incadecent lamps come in cool white ,etc...just like incandecent lamps.
I have 5 CFLS in a bathroom light bar....... they take a while to warm up... If I wait 4 minutes a day to see to shave what have I saved?
Jeff
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hillbilly
It's always been amusing to me that so many of the western states that tout 'self-reliance' are also the biggest beneficiaries of the federal govt largess. Those of us in the cities, and the NE pay far more in than we get out, yet still see the benefit of a standard of living enforeced by the government.
Probably a lot less than the outright welfare state we find in the Appalacians that ..based on my limited education in geography..lies in the East.
The best thing Clinton ever did for us... let ATVS all over BLM land.... and told us our horses were too "high impact" for the land. then they wanted us to diaper up the cattle........
Last time I needed a gun I was 4 miles from a town of 45,000 people. So much for "out in the sticks"........
The funniest exchance I ever had was with my NYC bred, bona-fide Jewish mother in law. One of the toilests failed while she was visiting us out in the sticks.
Me.."going to town for a new toilet and wax ring.........anybody want to go?
Her..."toilet..wax ring....why dont you call a plumber"
Me.. "plumbers cost about $80 bucks and hour......and will take a week to show up to do this......I know how to do this so I will"
Her...."well........ I really think you should call a plumber............"
I walked away and got a toilet. It's hard to reason with a person who tipps everyone they meet for anything they do.
Hill