I've been studying JW for 6 months. Please help..

by fb130 59 Replies latest jw friends

  • justhuman
    justhuman

    I will not tell you what fern told you to do....RUN AS FASTER YOUR CAN....

    It is good to know the other side of the coin in this forum is the other side, a side that you will NOT hear studying with Watchtower's Witnesses.WT refused any dialog with ex-jw's, because the GB knows that they cannot argue against the accusations we have for them. Jesus He did spoke to the Pharisees and those that they were going to put Him on the Cross. But the WT is more superior from Jesus and they will not talked to us

    I was born as a JW I'm a second generation ex-JW. The true story about JW's it will NOT be presented to you by JW's,because their story is full of false prophecies, changing doctrines,and human lifes that have died for the Organization Concept.

    JW's specially the new ones have NO IDEA of their past history since the WT hide or whitewashed their dark past. Some brief facts regarding WT:

    1.Their founder C.T.Russell he break through Seventh Day Adventists, due to their failed prophetic expectations that the world would end in 1874. Russell involved in Occult practices, and added the Pyramids in his theology. Pyramids are always had connection with Occult and Freemasonry. He expected that the end of the world will be in 1914., counting the Pyramids and an alchemist calculation from various scriptures in the Bible the 2520 years from 606(the year of the destruction in Jerusalim according to Russell) to 1914. The end didn't came so he change it to 1916. Eventually he died in Halloween's day at that year, burried in a Masonic cementry with a 2 tones pyramid next to the grave, with the 33rd degree Masonic Symbol on it, the Crown and the Cross, the All Seeing Eye, and the Emblem of the WT. His wife Maria won the court against him for having affairs with other women. He was an adulterer.

    So this are the facts about the founder of the early JW's the Bible students...Do you see any divine guidence behind this guy?

    2.Then turmoil started among the BS. A guy named Rutherford took power(he was not even in Russells death wish)the Bible Students.As a result there was a schisma among the group. The autoritarian characteur of Judge Jo changed the BS to JW's and actually he changed the all concept of the BS. I strongly believe that BS were sincere Bible examiners. They could visit other Churches, they celebrate Christmas, they believed in Cross, Birthdays, and they had their conscious as a guider. Judge Jo changed completely the face of BS and even their name in order to be seperated from the followers of Russell. The Dawn Bible Students Association are the real followers of Russell. Judge Jo claimed that Armageddon will start in 1925, and he published a book "Millions now living will never die".He bought a luxury mansion in San Diego Calif. and he waited for the early prophets to be ressurected and take leadership in God's Goverment on Earth. As you guess neither Joshua, Noah, Moses, came to the Mansion to start rulling the the Earth. He died in 1942 and most of all he was sure that the Armageddon was just about to start because of the WWII.WT sold that mansion after he died. He had a serious drinking problem, he was an abusive characteur, he used bad language, and this is proved by the lawsuit against him by an ex Bethelite Olin Molyn. He used every way to show persecution of the JW's, he had rage against the Catholic Church. Also he was involved in the Occult ideas of Russell most of his era as WT's president, plus he reprint the Book "Angels and Women" a story of fallen Angel through a spiritistic medium!!! Because of Judge Jo, thousands of JW's suffered in prison in Germany and many other places in the WWII, he tried to have an alliance with Hitler but Hitler was far to crazy from Judge Jo and the alliance didn't worked....

    3.Then we have Knorr(actually it was Fred Franz)who formed the WT's theology until he died in the 90's. Again WT sets a new date for the end 1975....The claimed that the generation that saw the invisible presence of Christ in 1914 will see the end of this system. 1975 went on, there was no end thousands left the WT and the WT did not appologize for the false prediction. They blame their followers for having eager expectations regarding God's fullfments. Then it was the 1984 as a non official date....it was 70 years after 1914 and it was the length of human life. Because of this WT was extremely against education, and many of us left uneducated. We have wasted our lifes preaching about a generation that will see the end but the end never came. So in 1995 since the Generation died they changed it. and change the whole theological structure of the WT. I suggest you to try to find the old book Live for ever on Paradise on Earth... At the 80's there was turmoil in Bethel due to the fact that many Bethelites found the real meaning of Christianity, plus Ray Franz a member of a GB found that all the Archeological and Biblical support of 607 stands on sand. The destruction of Jerusalim was in 587 B.C but the leadership refuse to see that evidence and still they do after 40 years. Because they have so many thinks linked to 1914 and they cannot get rid of it because their authority is on that date.

    They have been to a flip flop doctrines many times

    1.Sodomah and Gommorah they can't tell if they will resurrected

    2.Organ Transplans-in 1964 they were ok in 1967 they were not and in 1981 again it was permited. People died due to this policy

    3.Superior Authorities-it was the Goverments, then it was God and Jesus, and again Goverments

    4.Alternative army service was ok, then it wasn't and now is ok. Do you know how many suffered like my self due to this policy?

    Just a basical facts of how does WT acts.

    You are in a great danger my friend. Please STUDY-EXAMINE the history of the WT before you commit your self in that "religion"

    Buy the book Crisis of Conscious by Ray Franz, PM if you need more help, visit www.freeminds.org it is the best webside regarding JW's. Randy was an ex-bethelite in the 1980's and knows all the turmoil at that time

    Do not let a cult to take way Jesus from your life.That's what they do. The Organization stands in front of Jesus. All ex-JW's are saying the same thing. Many of us found refuge to other religions some went back to the Apostolic Church -Orthodox-Catholic. I have baptized Orthodox and I realize that is Jesus that we should worship and that the Church is asking me to have that personal relation with Jesus, through the Holy Communion.

    Many they have lost their families, like my self because we could no longer faith in a man made Organization. WT uses disfellowship thread against any one dares to leave their Org. All I can tell you is that WT caused us pain and nothing else.

    Please pray in Jesus to help you, because you are in a Great danger

  • Eyes Open
    Eyes Open

    Hello there fb130,

    You say you are confused. This is not a state in which you should make life-changing decisions such as joining a very controlling religion. Never be afraid to research, whether it's online or with scholarly books. Many here will give you very strong and blunt advice about the Watchtower Society, but you need to find things out properly for yourself.

    As well as researching the UN issue (see United Nations Association (LINK)), I recommend you do some proper research into the bible to avoid getting only what one religion wants you to believe. 'How to Read the Bible: History, Prophecy, Literature--Why Modern Readers Need to Know the Difference, and What It Means for Faith Today' (LINK) is a brilliant book by a Hebrew scholar which contains very important insights which are crucial to avoid being taken in by convoluted interpretations of the literature in the bible. Read that book through at least once and compare it to what well-meaning Jehovah's Witnesses are teaching you. You may be told that people on the internet are spreading lies about the Watchtower Society because they are hateful and bitter (this is an ad hominem fallacy), but getting a book which does not concern itself with Jehovah's Witnesses will allow you to learn without fear of this.

    And don't be scared if it's mentioned to you that Armageddon could happen any time soon. This is an appeal to fear which has been used in the Jehovah's Witnesses' ministry for over a century and is based on misapplication of scripture. Take your time and make the right decision, which is what a just God would want you to do.

  • jakmarx
    jakmarx

    To be honest, this site is neither pro or anti JW.

    As most of the members are either JW's or ex-JW's.

    Its a place where people can freely discuss information about Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Sadly a freedom as a witness myself I do not have.

  • fern
    fern

    ok, I see I need to clarify my first post on the subject. When I said RUN, I meant run away from that religion....not this dicussion forum. Hence, the apostate comment.

    Fern

  • lisavegas420
    lisavegas420

    Welcome...and never NEVER stop asking questions....even when they tell you, "you think too much" or to wait on Jehovah. Just keep asking the questions, until you get a reasonable answer.

    lisa

  • wildfell
    wildfell

    Hi fb130

    Welcome to jwd!

    I was a jw for 20 years. I also came in through a bible study. Here are some things that I wish someone had told me:

    Please be aware that the New World Translation is not an accurate and scholarly translation. It is an attempt by watchtower leadership to fool people into believing that their doctrines are backed by the Bible. Please do some research into the New World Translation! And use your own Bible.

    Also, the jw baptism is hugely disrespectful to Jesus Christ in my opinion. Jesus said that his disciples had to be baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. NOT in the name of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania!!!! Think about it, does baptism into a human organisation constitute a valid Christian baptism?

    There is a website that I have personally found very helpful in researching the jw's. It presents the truth about the jehovah's witnesses, it is reasonable and well researched. I hope you enjoy it. I wish that the intenet had been around when I was studying. If I knew then what I know now, I would have ceased my study promptly!

    http://www.jwfacts.com/

    Now that I have said that . . . . RUN!!!

    kind regards

    wildfell

  • *summer*
    *summer*

    Welcome to JWD. As many have said before, this forum is a mixed bag. But no matter what it is, you are at the right place. I was in your shoes not that long ago. Studying with JWs, feeling I had finally found the one and only true path to God and eternal life, also feeling I was growing, and planning a summer baptism. Then just like you, things started to get confused... My study conductor was a great person, encouraging me to voice any doubts. She also encouraged me to search on my own, but always only via their own publications. And I kept thinking...how can I learn about a religion if I read only their own litterature. Then, the famous UN issue! How come an organisation that is supposed to be neutral can be part of the UN for a good 10 years! I printed the proof and in all innocence, showed it to my conductor. Not believing it was legit, she showed it to an elder. Well, it then raised the issue of my internet habits and in no time, my fate was sealed. To make a long story short, my conductor was told in so many words to stop the study as I was apparently not making any progress. It was a very emotional last meeting. She was crying and said she did not want to stop study but "she had to obey" And I thought it was pathetic that this grown woman "had to obey" Was I such a bad person all of a sudden? Apparently so, as I did not fit the mold anymore. My story is very tame compared to what you will find here. And no one can tell you what to do. This is your life and your choice. But what most will tell you here is to EDUCATE yourself. You have been studying for only 6 months and already have doubts. Take it as your red flag. Good luck to you~

  • fb130
    fb130

    Everyone, Thank you so much. I wasn't expecting so many replies in such a short time. One thing I do have in my favor is that I'm not draging a family into this. I'm single. I will have read all your posts by noon. Some posts are long but I'm touched that u all took the time. I'll give u my feedback later. God bless

  • Diva
    Diva

    Hi and welcome! You're experiencing no doubt what is called 'Love Bombing'. You will find that JW's will be very kind, helpful and loving to you whilst you are studying and 'making progress'. Start questioning certain doctrines though and challenging what you are being taught and the tide will turn. You will become one who is 'not making progess' and 'not appreciating spiritual things' etc etc and you will get dumped like a led balloon.

    Once you get baptised... well then forget ever getting depressed or feeling low, because you will get little or no sympathy or support, instead you will be told that the answer to all your problems is the Field Service, Study, Prayer and Meeting attendance. You will get to the point that you will begin to believe any problems you have in your life is down to your own lack of spirituality.

    Having been raised as a JW and now a 'fader', I have honestly seen all of the above.

    I wish you all the best in your decision but I sincerely hope you don't put yourself through the heartache of become on of JW's.

    Diva

  • Lady Zombie
    Lady Zombie

    Besides the UN connection, the WTBTS has actively engaged in the willful cover up of a rather large molestation problem. Check out http://www.silentlambs.org/

    The WTBTS is very anti-education. These days, you almost have to have either a college degree, or a vocational program to secure a decent job. The JWs strongly discourage this. Recently, a letter read by COs to congregations stipulate removal of elders who are preceived to be encouraging higher education for their children or themselves.

    I was born and raised in this "religion." It is very psychologically damaging, and many of us here have scars that will be with us forever.

    If you have young children, or plan to have some, please reconsider joining the JWs. This is a religion for older people and it isn't very nurturing or beneficial for young people. In fact, children and teenagers are treated almost like enemies, made to feel inferior or not good enough, rife with sin, etc. I was miserable as a child in the JWs.

    Right now, you're in the love bombing phase. You suddenly have found yourselves with friendly, smiling, helpful people.

    Just remember, these people can, and will, turn 180 degrees on you over the slightest thing. Your "true christian brothers and sisters" will suddenly treat you coldly and regard you with suspicion if you're even "suspected" of going against anything and everything the GB and the WT spits out.

    They want blind acceptance, blind faith, and total obedience. This is not a healthy way to live.

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