Never, Ever Believe A Thing They Tell You.

by Englishman 43 Replies latest jw friends

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  thewiz

  No, bored rather than board was intentional. You guys use borg for org (which I like BTY), I use bored/s for THIS/THESE board/s.

  Give me A break Yeri. Christmas IS a holiday that commemorates the birth of Christ, that being that Christ was born on Dec 25th. Even though you know that, you continue to celebrate it. The WTBS lies, it's a big huge deal, when you lie it can be rationalized away. Grant them the same thing you grant yourself. Don't live by a double-standard.

  My wife told me, that to her, as a child, Christmas was never extolled as the "Holy" day it should be, "the birth of the lord" it was just a day to get gifts. So Christ, to kids, "ain't nuthin' but a piece of shit," because they aren't even taught the importnace of Christ anyway.

  Their religion is just a formalism to buy their way into heaven hopin' that little ol' Saint Peter will let them through the Pearly gates.

  I know people who don't celebrate XMas because it sickens them to see BIG business turn, what they think, should be a holy day, into huge commerce.

  One of the utilmate hypocrisies Jews that celebrate Christmas and Jews who put out Christmas albums and sing about the Holy Saviour.

  As for people on these boreds, why don't you think about all the damage you put on your kids, when you teach them to single out a group of people who are different. Replace Racial bias with religious ones. Now your're in the same boat.

  Maybe you rant and rave in front of your kids every once in a while like I do about the WTBS. It has an affect on them.

  "Hate your grandparents kids because they hate you."

  Oh thats right you guys belong to the Brady bunch clan, "Perfect sumbitches"
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  Englishman

  why don't you think about all the damage you put on your kids, when you teach them to single out a group of people who are different. Replace Racial bias with religious ones. Now your're in the same boat.

  Oh, I see it now. Children, your Daddy is being ignored by his Daddy because he doesn't believe in God in quite the same way, so he will not speak to your Daddy ever again because he believes that God is going to kill your Daddy. Now, children, this is quite normal behaviour, nothing different at all, so we mustn't single out people like that and criticise them.

  Got it.

  Englishman.

  Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
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  TR

  OK, wiz, somebody has to carry the big stick.

  You are so full of shit your eyes are brown. The JW view of Christmas you hold is shallow and narrow-minded. Yes, big business is involved big time, but to many people it's more than just buying presents.

  They don't want to be around many of the people, like many on these boreds, shoving down their throats things they know to be obviously wrong.

  WTF? Gimme some examples dilbert, then I'll show you an inexhaustable supply of info that shows the WTS to be the scam that it is.

  TR

  The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
  —Edmund Burke
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  Englishman

  I just want to clarify something here. My ex's letter of dismissal from her father expressed the wish that he hoped that he could still have a relationship with his grandchildren ie, my son and daughter.

  Now, my son and daughter are both fiercely loyal people. How in hell's name can either of them have a relationship with someone who shuns his own daughter, their mother?

  Englishma.

  Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
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  Andee

  Hi E-man,

  The situation you have described is close to what I witnessed in my own family.

  My grandmother (Mom's mom) was a devout JW. She was the one that got the whole ball rolling with this insideous cult back in 1949. She had five children. Out of these children, my Uncle (his wife and kids)and one Aunt (husband and 7 kids) are active JW's.

  I have so many sad stories of shunning. My Mom and my Aunt (Mom's younger sister). When I was a baby, my Dad was DF'd. My Mom's family shunned both of them. Since my Mom stopped going to meetings after what happened to my Dad. She was only a teenager, having married my
  Dad at 14. Five years later Dad was reinstated, so the JW family was in contact again.

  Then, my Aunt was Df'd in 1965. She was 18. She wasn't shunned at the time, as far as I know. Even though both my Mom (inactive) and my Aunt (Df'd) didn't go to meetings, my JW family still "associated" with them. Granted, the all families weren't close, they at least would see each other on occasion.

  So, this goes on until 1981. A big family get together is planned.
  Right before it is suppose to happen (it was planned by my JW cousin)
  the whole thing was cancelled. Why? Because of my Aunt's Df'ing in 1965! Some article in the WT. My JW relatives cannot associate with her, and thrown in for good measure, my Mother either. My Aunt, a very sweet, gentle woman, was devastated.

  So, almost 20 years ago by. Then, my Mom is contacted by her JW brother. He is working on a family picture project and would like my Mom to participate. Nothing was said about the last 20 years or the shunning. Just pretend that everything is normal. Then, the emails started. I start getting email from various JW relatives. Some of cousins that I last saw when I was a child. Actually, it has been great hearing from them. My Uncle has even acknowledged the hurt my Mom and Aunt feel.

  Then there is my very devout Aunt (Mom's older sister). She sends me all these friendly little emails like we just had coffee last week. When confronted with all the pain she caused in the name of Jehovah, she just shuts down, says she wants to keep things "positive". Let's just pretend the last 20 years didn't happen.

  Anyway, there has been talk of reunions, etc from my JW relatives. My Df'd Aunt has just written them off. She wants nothing to do with them. She has a loving husband and two daughters. She's happy and doesn't want them to sully it. My Mom is a bit more open, but she's skeptical. Afraid that door will slammed in her face again. I don't blame her.

  So, at this point, us "worldly" part of the family are pretty happy.
  The JWs can just PROVE their sincerity.

  Andee
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  Andee

  Hey Wiz,

  I do not rant about the WTS in front of my kids, K?

  I quietly try to explain our family situation and my JW relatives beliefs. As nutty as I think some of those beliefs are. I am willing to bet that is how most people on this board handle this type of situation.

  We come HERE to rant, K?

  I do not single out any group of people to denegrate in front of my kids, K?

  If people don't want to celebrate Xmas because they think is is over-commercialized, that is up to them. K? It's a choice. K? I don't care. K? WTS doesn't make it a choice. K? I don't think one should lose their family over it. K?

  Oh, brother! You dragged out the "Brady Bunch" line. Because people want their family to at least talk and be civil to one another, we want the "Brady Bunch" pipe dream. Geez, can you feel the change of generations? I can remember when it was "everyone wants Leave it to Beaver". Well, at least then, Ward ENJOYED kissing June.

  Anyway, I'm ohh so sorry if I'm BORING you, Wiz.

  Oh, just one more thing, Wiz, sweetie, baby, honey.

  MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR! K?

  Andee
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  thewiz

  hypocrites!

  if witnesses trouble you so much Andee why does any of your life's activities revolve around them? Let 'em be and get on with you and yours' lives. K?

  TR -I don't necessarily hold the JW view of Christmas. It comes from just about any Encycleopedia you want to use, including the Catholic One(s).
  You call the WTBS a scam but apparently you believe in one of the biggest scams, Christmas. BTY Are your eyes brown? My eyes are green, kinda like your teeth.

  Comin' here, I swear that I have found the Paradise I've always been looking for, because everyone HERE, is perfect!

  You expect the JDubs to be perfect.

  Shunning is supported by the bible.

  Many people have problem children. What do they do if that child persists in being a trouble? They tell them to get out and don't come back. Why? Some reasons are a strain or weight on the family. The INFLUENCE on other family members/siblings, etc.

  If I were a JW and I lived as a JW, would I want people telling MY kids that it is OK, NOT to be a JW? OR i.e. There's nothing wrong with Christmas.
  It would be the same poison of some idiot who would come up to my child and ask them if they wanted to take drugs or booze, saying, "It's not wrong, other people do it." They can be equated to the same thing.

  Oh and I forgot, the only bad accepable things you can say about anybody here, on these BOREDS,can ONLY be about the JDubs. Where ONLY here to expose them and NOT ourselves

  You use chidish name calling and slang against the WTBS (Jdubs, borg, etc), it's ONLY fair that the same word-plays can be made about these BOREDS too.

  I'm just exposing your double-standard ways, that's all.
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  Englishman

  Shunning is supported by the bible.

  No, it isn't, only if you repeatedly shag your step-mother.

  They tell them to get out and don't come back. Why? Some reasons are a strain or weight on the family. The INFLUENCE on other family members/siblings, etc.

  Nope, that's pretty uncommon, except amongst JW's.

  I'm just exposing your double-standard ways, that's all

  And getting overmuch attention IMO>

  Englishman.

  Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
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  Andee

  Just popped on after writing an email to a NON JW friend and what does Wizzy inform me of??

  My life revolves around the JW's. That's right, Wizzy, it does. You outted me, babe! It fits in between: Getting my children off to school, household duties, helping kids with homework, lunch with NON JW friends, NON JW family gatherings, going to soccer games, crocheting, reading, making lunches, making dinner, etc.

  BTW Wizzy. My JW relatives CONTACTED ME and my other non JW family. Some even continue to email me even though I do not respond to them, got it?

  Have a nice day, Wizzy. You lil cutie pie!

  Andee

  P.S. Ya'll be careful now! I don't want ya to get a nose bleed being up so high above all of us.
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  Englishman

  Exit Wizzy to the recycle bin.....!

  Seriously, Wizzy, I enjoy alternative posts just like anyone else. On this occasion, though, I think that you have just shot youself in the foot / butt whatever.

  Englishman.

  Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....