Why do people use so many derogative, belittling terms on here like....

by reniaa 111 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    For the same reason the Washtowel Slaveholdery uses so many derogative, belittling terms in their littera-trash to describe worldly people. I have heard them described, either from the platform or in littera-trash, as "urine", "poison", "of the Devil", and "filthy rotten pigs". None of which actually describes the common worldly person.

    I have also heard other derogatory terms while a witless, from official sources. Calling all other religions the Great Harlot and Babylon the Great seems as bad as calling the witnesses "witlesses". Worldly people are called "bad associations". All the holidays are "pagan" and "worldly" (in a derogatory sense). And, they make note that the other religions and all not associated with the organization are of Satan and the demons.

    Those who have left, or that get disfellowshipped, have derogatory terms applied to them as well. I have heard of "dog", "swine", and "pig" from the platform to describe those people. Almost universally they are said to be of Satan, and that they are "wicked". Such people usually have done something that is morally neutral, like fornication, or merely stupid (not wicked) like smoking or using drugs. Often, the reason is that they questioned something the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger put out. They voice that question, and are branded "apostate". And often later, the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger will later change the "official viewpoint" to match that of the "apostate". Then the "apostate" is charged with running ahead of the Celestial Chariot.

    I myself have been guilty of using the term "cat lick" while out in field circus for Catholics. And I am not alone--I have heard that term used frequently by the witlesses. And there are plenty of other derogatory terms used by the witlesses on other denominations--turnaround is fair play.

  • Who are you?
    Who are you?

    You missed one out Who are you....

    I'm motivated by the bible.....it is my first love

    Were you motivated by the bible when you exchanged your hubby for another man ?

    During that time when you exchanged your husband for another man, did you spend time trashing your husband ? And if so, were you motivated by the bible or were you motivated by a desire to justify your actions?

  • MissingLink
    MissingLink
    I also struggle with people defining Wts as mind controlling cult... because I can clearly see were the scriptorial origins of the doctrines of Wts were drawn from either directly or as logical constructs. some of the eviliest things you assign to Wts have very well defined scriptorial roots...

    Have you examined the teachings of other groups you WOULD consider "cults"? They all have very good looking reasonable explanations for why their teachings are the word of god. The christian ones use the bible as well, but interpret differently. It all looks good on the surface. Just like the JW cult.

  • chickpea
    chickpea

    it is remarkable to see a practice of the
    maligned and villified catholic church
    invoked as a defense for a practice
    embraced by the b0rg........

    excommunication was widely practiced by catholics

    excommunication primarily deals with
    a prohibition to partake in the sacraments.....
    it does not cut an individual off from family
    because of doctrinal divergence.....
    politicians most notably are "excommunicated",
    denied the eucharist, for supporting policy contrary
    to the teachings of the church.... (think abortion/gay rights)

    the faith community is not instructed to shun them
    ON PAIN OF EXCOMMUNICATION

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Oops.

  • Rosalee
    Rosalee

    chickpea - - - you are wrong about catholic excommunication.

    My brother wanted to marry a catholic lady some years ago. The priest would not marry them. If my brother converted then maybe. My brother would not convert. They ended marrying anyway. My SIL was completely shunned from her church. Their children were considered less than dirt ... never a hope for them ... would burn in hell for eternity. My SIL ended up dying very young ... probably from a broken heart.

    Now in the case of witnesses at least there is a chance ... the wages of sin are death. One does not burn eternally for the sins of the parents. One does not burn eternally in any case.

    So don't hold the catholic church up as doing anyone a favor .. excommunication leaves one with NO hope.

  • Guest with Questions
    Guest with Questions
    I'm motivated by the bible.....it is my first love and I can't divorce OT from NT, and when God commited genocide in noahs day how do people justify that, Did Jesus condemn his father for noah's flood? or himself if you are a christian who believes jesus is God therefore, he himself was responsible for the flood and any other extreme actions concerning law-breaking, we wouldn't have to worry about pedophiles then they were just taken away and killed.

    Renaia: you don't seem to have a concept of the triune God. Jesus is not God the Father, He is God the Son. I can give you scripture after scripture supporting the trinity if you wish, but I realize that for a witness, because they are so indoctrinated against it, that it's very hard to believe that it could be true. My mom is slowly breaking away but this is the one area she is having great difficulty. She has been a witness for 34 years and is finally admitting to me that my dad and her have always questioned the org. She wonders where the love is that they talk about. She sees the hypocrisy. She questions some of the beliefs.

    If you are truly motivated by the bible as you say then in time you will see the organization for what it is, a false prophet with false teachings. Please compare your NWT with other bibles. Who translated your bible? Don't read just bits and pieces. Read it with without watchtower aids. As for the pedophiles, does the org believe that the JW pedophiles who are protected within the org will be safe because they are within the "arc"?

    There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. Romans 3:10-12

    The wages of sin is death. The good news is that Jesus died for our sins. He paid the price. It doesn't say if you belong to a particular organization you will be saved. If you believe in Him you will have eternal life with Him.

    For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

    Christians believe in Christ Jesus. I personally don't believe that JW's are true Christians. Jehovah's Witnesses believe in a different Jesus, one who doesn't Mediate for you, and my understanding is that the bible isn't even written for you, but only for the 144,000 annointed. (correct me if I'm wrong on the latter) I believe that the 144,000 are literal male Jews. I believe that they will preach the Gospel of Jesus to their own people in the last days. Some churches believe that the Church has replaced Israel. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the 144,000 have replaced Israel. This is Replacement Theology. If you read Revelations you will see that the Great Crowd is in the same place as the 144,000. God has never given up on the Jews. He never gives up on anyone. He wants all to be saved.

    I recommend reading Romans 11:1-2, Romans 11:11-28 Ephesians 2:11-22 Ephesians 3:2-6 and you may come away with a much different view than what you have been taught about the 144,000 by the organization.

  • edmond dantes
    edmond dantes

    If the cap fits wear it that's what I say to all the wacktower barsteward leaders.

    I have also reminded their commercial representatives at the door that they are indeed similar to Hitler and the Nazis party because they claim their God is going to do their work for them by ethnically cleansing the human race a billion more times than Hitler did .If they talk like Hitler, act like Hitler, propagand like Hitler I guess they must be little Shcitlegrubbers.

  • chickpea
    chickpea

    i stand by my earlier comment, having been reared
    in the catholic church during the late 50s, 60's, 70s

    i am not an apologist for the RCC, just happen to have
    family very ensconsced in its influence and have seen
    aspects that are variant from your experiences

    my father was excommunicated when he divorced my mother....
    very little in the way of community "shunning" occurred ever...
    in fact i am hard pressed to recall a single event where he was
    deliberately avoided, excluded or ignored by catholics, including
    my mother's irish catholic family and his french catholic family

    my uncle was married to a non-catholic, he was a regular attendant
    at mass and his business, located in the parish, was well used
    by parishioners for decades....
    marriage to non-catholics is not forbidden in modern times
    but dispensation is a requirement; otherwise it is not recognized
    as valid in the eyes of the church

    unless your SIL was excommunicated by a bishop or the pope,
    for a violent crime against a cleric or association with vitandi
    her being shunned is an over-stepping of the intention of excommunication
    "the prevention of receiving unworthily the eucharist, sparing the excommunicant
    the guilt of that grievous sin"

    further, if the children were baptized, according to the doctrine of the church
    they are as likely to enter heaven as any other catholic, provided they
    die in a state of grace..... hence in the eyes of the church, if not its adherents,
    the children are acceptable to god

    info from the catholic encyclopedia
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm

    Effects of excommunication

    If we consider only its nature, excommunication has no degrees: it simply deprives clerics and laymen of all their rights in Christiansociety, which total effect takes on a visible shape in details proportionate in number to the rights or advantages of which the excommunicated cleric or layman has been deprived. The effects of excommunication must, however, be considered in relation also to the rest of the faithful. From this point of view arise certain differences according to the various classes of excommunicated persons. These differences were not introduced out of regard for the excommunicated, rather for the sake of the faithful. The latter would suffer serious inconveniences if the nullity of all acts performed by excommunicated clerics were rigidly maintained. They would also be exposed to grievous perplexities of conscience if they were strictly obliged to avoid all intercourse, even profane, with the excommunicated. Hence the practical rule for interpreting the effects of excommunication: severity as regards the excommunicated, but mildness for the faithful.

    We may now proceed to enumerate the immediate effects of excommunication. They are summed up in the two well known verses:

    Res sacræ, ritus, communio, crypta, potestas,
    prædia sacra, forum, civiliajuravetantur,

    i.e. loss of the sacraments, public services and prayers of the Church, ecclesiastical burial, jurisdiction, benefices, canonicalrights, and social intercourse.

    Civilia jura

    Civilia jura, i.e. the ordinary relations between members of the same society, outside of sacred and judicial matters. This privation, affecting particularly the personexcommunicated, is no longer imposed on the faithful except in regard to the vitandi

    Vitandi and Tolerati

    Public excommunication in foroexterno has two degrees according as it has or has not been formally published, or, in other words, according as excommunicated persons are to be shunned (vitandi) or tolerated (tolerati). A formally published or nominativeexcommunication occurs when the sentence has been brought to the knowledge of the public by a notification from the judge, indicating by name the person thus punished. No special method is required for this publication; according to the Council of Constance (1414-18), it suffices that "the sentence have been published or made known by the judge in a special and express manner". Persons thus excommunicated are to be shunned (vitandi), i.e. the faithful must have no intercourse with them either in regard to sacred things or (to a certain extent)profane matters, as we shall see farther on.

    All other excommunicated persons, even though known, are tolerati, i.e. the law no longer obliges the faithful to abstain from intercourse with them, even in religious matters. This distinction dates from the aforesaidConstitution "Ad evitandascandala", published by Martin V at the Council of Constance in 1418; until then one had to avoid communion with all the excommunicated, once they were known as such.

    "To avoid scandal and numerous dangers", says Martin V, "and to relieve timorousconsciences, we hereby mercifully grant to all the faithful that henceforth no one need refrain from communicating with another in the reception or administration of the sacraments, or in other matters Divine or profane, under pretext of any ecclesiasticalsentence or censure, whether promulgated in general form by law or by a judge, nor avoid anyone whomsoever, nor observe an ecclesiastical interdict, except when this sentence or censure shall have been published or made known by the judge in special and express form, against some certain, specified person, college, university, church, community, or place."

    But while notoriouslyexcommunicated persons are no longer vitandi, the popemakes an exception of those who have "incurred the penalty of excommunication by reason of sacrilegiousviolence against a cleric, and so notoriously that the fact can in no way be dissimulated or excused". He declares, moreover, that he has not made this concession in favour of the excommunicated, whose condition remains unchanged, but solely for the benefit of the faithful. Hence, in virtue of ecclesiastical law, the latter need no longer deprive themselves of intercourse with those of the excommunicated who are "tolerated".

    As to the vitandi, now reduced to the two aforementionedcategories, they must be shunned by the faithful as formerly. It is to be noted now that the minorexcommunication incurred formerly by these forbidden relations has been suppressed; also, that of the major excommunications inflicted on certaindefiniteacts of communion with the vitandi, only two are retained in the Constitution"Apostolicæ Sedis" (II, 16, 17): that inflicted on any of the faithful for participation in a crime that has meritednominativeexcommunication by the pope, and that pronounced against clerics alone for spontaneous and consciouscommunionin sacris with persons whom the pope has excommunicated by name. Moreover, those whom bishopsexcommunicate by name are as much vitandi as are those similarly excommunicated by the pope.

    Are non-Catholic marriages valid in the eyes of the Catholic Church? What if a Catholic marries a non-Catholic? http://www.newadvent.org/library/almanac_thisrock94.htm

    In general, marriages between non-Catholics, of whatever religion, are considered valid, but the situation is not as simple as it sounds because there are two kinds of marriage: natural (ordinary) marriage and supernatural (sacramental) marriage. Supernatural marriages exist only between baptized people, so marriages between two Jews or two Muslims are only natural marriages. Assuming no impediments, marriages between Jews or Muslims would be valid natural marriages. Marriages between two Protestants or two Eastern Orthodox also would be valid, presuming no impediments, but these would be supernatural (sacramental) marriages and thus indissoluble.

    When one spouse is a Catholic and the other is a non-Catholic--this is commonly termed a "mixed marriage"--the situation changes. Just as the state has the power to regulate marriages of its citizens by requiring them to get a blood test or to marry in front of a competent authority, so the Church has the right to regulate the marriages of its "citizens."

    If one participant is a Catholic who has not left the Church by a formal act, such as by officially joining another church, he must obtain a dispensation for the marriage, which would otherwise be blocked by the mixed-marriage impediment or by the disparity of cult impediment. A Catholic who has not left the Church by a formal act also must obtain a dispensation to be married in front of a non-Catholic minister. If either of these dispensations is not obtained, the marriage will be invalid.

    (sorry about the ridiculous formatting..... cant erase it)

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    Why do people use so many derogative, belittling terms on here............... I know a lot are hurting but using these expressions do not help people viewing to see this site as user friendly to all.

    Curious, Reniia, about your reasons for posing this question. Either

    1. At face-value, you are making a sincere inquiry so that you may understand the why of your question.
    2. You are scolding those who use those expressions (and BTW even those who don't) because you are protective of the WTS.
    3. You sincerely want people who visit this site to get a positive impression so that they will not be turned off to coming back again.
    4. Those derogatory terms make you feel more conflicted about being here yourself and would like for them to go away.

    Or is the real reason one that I haven't listed?

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