BTS,
There is something very wrong with you. I imagine you could explain away murdering someone. In any event, as a religious person, you're morals are in the toilet. People like you need god to help get you through the day.
Pray those sins away!
Religulous with Bill Maher I just saw it
by seven006 121 Replies latest jw friends
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BurnTheShips
There is something very wrong with you. I imagine you could explain away murdering someone. In any event, as a religious person, you're morals are in the toilet. People like you need god to help get you through the day.
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dawg
"BTS,
There is something very wrong with you. I imagine you could explain away murdering someone. In any event, as a religious person, you're morals are in the toilet. People like you need god to help get you through the day."
Here here, and Burns, you have started ignoring anyone that proves you wrong... I can't list how many times people ask you to answer a question they've asked which you conveniently ignore.
Burns is like all JWs, he ignores anything that proves him wrong, then he goes on line (his watchtower) gets quotes from some dimwit that agrees with him, he then proceeds to post a page of crap that has no bearing to the conversation.... and if you have the time to fact check the nonsense, you always find that his sources, much like the "Watchtower" is all rubbish.
But to Burns its proof, its what he wanted to hear so its true... LOL!
I don't fact check you anymore Burns, I come on line here everyday and give you Hades because it makes my day to watch you copy and paste some crap that you think proves your point. I, like many posters here, used to check what you said, used to actually try and reason with you... but you are like a wall and can't learn..
I use you for entertainment now... it's like watching Palin on TV for me... its pure entertainment.,.
I'll leave you with this Burns, somewhere deep inside you, somewhere, Objectivity lies, I hope one day you snap out of your funk, but for now, your like watching a comedy show. -
shamus100
BTS is an idiot.
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BurnTheShips
BTS is an idiot.
Thanks.
BTS
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Neo
Hi Neo....The evidence is iconographic (in terms of artistic motifs in depicting both Isis and Mary), archaeological (e.g. the Isis altar at Philippi that was reappropriated for Christian use), and literary (e.g. the dependence of the Mary story in the Arabic Infancy Gospel of the Savior on the kind of Isis myth found in Apuleius). The influence was largely regional; there is similarly strong evidence of mariological influence from the cults of Artemis and Cybele in Asia Minor (particularly in Phyrgia, the home of Montanism). Thus we find in some streams of Egyptian gnosticism a parallelism of Isis and Mary and Harpocrates and Jesus, and even in popular traditions we find a similar influence; for instance, some apocryphal stories claim that Mary fled with Jesus to Fayyum where Jesus was renamed Aour (i.e. Horus). For more discussion of the evidence, see Isis in the Ancient World by Reginald E. Witt and The Virgin Goddess: Studies in the Pagan and Christian Roots of Mariology by Stephen Benko. What we find with respect to the cults of Isis and Harpocrates is close to what would be expected for the kind of (local) syncretism resulting from the spread of Christianity and its displacement of older popular cults (just as can be found in the traditions pertaining to the saints which were similarly dependent on pagan deities, such as Saint George the dragon-slayer, which in Egypt drew significantly on the Horus cult).
Thank you Leo! I have seen various syncretic links between Mary's figure and that of pagan goddesses. But there's one point in particular that is hard for me to discern that just happens to be the very first one you mention: art. Which iconographic motifs do Isis' and Mary's depictions have in common? You know, a mother holding a baby child on her arms is not distinctive at all; this is common imagery. So it is hard to establish a link between Isis and Mary purely on the grounds of this common motif only. Do you know if there are distinguishing artistic elements that could link the two like, say, a crown on her head?
"A mother and her baby" just seems to be too little evidence to say that Christian iconography got inspiration from images of goddesses of the pagan world in its depiction of the Virgin and her Divine Son.
Neo
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BizzyBee
Laughed my ass off along with the rest of the audience. I can understand why some being interviewed may have felt that they were given short-shrift.
Perhaps, as ex-JWs we can understand why through this example: If someone asked a JW point blank, "Do you practice shunning?" "Do you refuse blood-transfusions?" "Do you believe that God is going to destroy everyone except JW's?" "Do you adhere to the same beliefs as your founder, C. T. Russell?" JWs would be loath to give a yes or no response, even though these are Y/N questions. JWs would want to "witness" and provide a context for their answer.
Bill Maher was trying to get straight answers to fundamentally simple questions about religious beliefs. His interviewees wanted to "witness" and it would have made an incredibly boring movie if he'd let them. As it was, he demonstrated that all religions require a huge leap of faith. There is no way to prove any of them and therefore believing in religion is ridiculous.
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cameo-d
Bill Maher enjoys goading the christians (and he does have a good and worthwhile message)....but look how his demeanor changes when the shoe is on the other foot. He gets a bit riled up and defensive when allegiance to Israel is at stake.
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BizzyBee
Good clip, cameo. It seems at odds with some of Maher's stated positions. In the movie, he does not come off as pro-Israel or pro-Jew. He was actually raised Catholic, but ethnically is half-Jewish.
I had to agree with the guy in the clip - Israel's problems are not worth one American life or one American dollar.
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Leolaia
Which iconographic motifs do Isis' and Mary's depictions have in common? You know, a mother holding a baby child on her arms is not distinctive at all; this is common imagery. So it is hard to establish a link between Isis and Mary purely on the grounds of this common motif only. Do you know if there are distinguishing artistic elements that could link the two like, say, a crown on her head?
Oh yes, there's a lot more than that -- things like Isis/Mary being seated on a throne, with a specific kind of averted gaze pose (no eye contact with head looking to the right), holding the child on her left thigh, sometimes with certain astral motifs, sometimes with pointing/nurturing gestures, etc. A good broad survey of the iconographic evidence can be found in the article "Isis and Mary in Early Icons" by Thomas F. Matthews and Norman Muller (pp. 3-12) in the book Images of the Mother of God: Perceptions of the Theotokos in Byzantium (ed. by Maria Vassilaki, 2005). The similarity is strongest in the oldest examples and those closest to Egypt (such as in Sinai at the Monastery of St. Catherine). Iconographic parallels are also found in the function and setting of the images -- such as in door panels to shrines.
With respect to the throne motif, Matthews and Muller write: "The connection between Isis enthroned and Mary enthroned is also highly suggestive, for the throne is a proper attribute of Isis, whereas it is hardly what one would expect for Mary of Nazareth. Isis' name seems to have meant 'throne,' her hieroglyth was a throne, and she was protector of the pharaoh's throne. Mary acquired the throne to demonstrate that she was equal to, and indeed replaced, the ancient Mother of the God. This competittion of the Christian pantheon with the divinities they replaced is a process observed frequently in the formation of Christian iconography. Along with the throne, Mary aquired the halo, common on icons of the ancient gods, and a military guard. It should be noted that alongside the Karanis enthroned Isis was a representation of the Thracian military god Heron" (p. 9).