My brain worked yesterday at the WT study

by BonaFide 38 Replies latest jw friends

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  still_in74

  I gave literally hundreds of talks all my life where I included that experience. And I used to talk about how people were so unkind, and Jesus so loving. I taught that at Pioneer School.

  Yesterday sitting at the meeting I realized that the reason the people didnt want the lepers to be near them was because they knew it would spread to them. They weren't bad people. Jesus didn't have to worry about that because he wouldn't be adversely affected.

  It's so obvious to me now, but I never thought that before. Of course Jesus could touch the man.

  Bonafide !! I gave the exact same comment!

  I asked " who of us here in that situation would have walked up to the leper and gave him a hug?"
  the conductor paused, and then nodded in agreance. I continued " none of us would have, he had an incurable disease and we all would have fled. However Jesus had the ability to heal this man, thus we help others based on our ability to do so if we are truly to follow Jesus example in this instance"

  Its funny how ppl are so quick to judge. Its just like the paragraphs before where everyone says that Jehovah rejected Cains sacrifice.

  He didnt reject his vegetables He rejected Cain! But they ALWAYS say Jehovah rejected his sacrifice. As if the Mosaic Law was already in place. But then again there was sword spinning round and round in front of the entrance to the garden and i dont imagine Adam, Abel or Cain were metalurgists or blacksmiths already, or had even needed/invented a sword for that matter.
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  AGuest

  I asked " who of us here in that situation would have walked up to the leper and gave him a hug?"

  This actually had a modern fulfillment when HIV and AIDS came to the fore back in the '80's. We had a very nice young "brother," a "former" homosexual, who found out he had contracted AIDS (I believe it was AIDS, but knowing what we know now, it could have only been HIV...). We were talking about something and when our conversation ended, I went to shake his hand. He responded by pulling down the sleeve of his sweater to cover his hand before shaking with me. Although it was now being said that the virus could not be passed through touch, I admit I was a little "scared," (both because I was ignorant as to the disease and as to the Christ), but I was not going to put this very nice young man out like that. I figured if I caught something... well, I caught something: he was my "brother." And so I disregarded my fear and said, "You don't have to do that."

  Now, I'm not telling this to say something good about myself - how I felt was NOT good and I was ashamed of it. I am telling it, however, because of what happened next. Giving me a most embarassed... and very pitiable... look, he said, "It's okay; I have to. The brothers have said that I can shake, but I have to cover my hands first." I was SO embarassed... for him... and for "us" as a [christian] people. I felt SO bad for him!

  That was the last time I balked at touching someone who even looked like they had a disease. Again, I no longer care: if I catch someting... I catch something. Perhaps better me than... well, whoever. I can't be worried about that any more. What if it were me (my loved one) and folks treated me/us such?

  The Society later issued a "talk" on the subject... to help folks know how to "cope" with the issue... including how and when... and when not... to touch "friends" with this or a similar disease. I squirmed through the whole thing. I felt like... you know how, like, you're on stage or something, and you feel like all of the lights are on you, so that everyone's eyes are on you? Super embarassed and open and exposed? I wanted to hide. All I could think of was "where is the LOVE in this?" I think I may never have been so embarrassed in my life.

  Anyway... not sure why, but I had to get that out.

  Peace!

  A slave of Christ,

  SA
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  WTWizard

  What gets me is that the Law was put in place to protect people from leprosy. (Which did not work then--this is one case where allopathic medicine has put a big dent in a disease). Jesus did not have to worry about getting it, for whatever reason. (Even the Washtowels acknoledged that he could not have gotten sick.) Therefore, it was safe for Jesus to heal this person.

  All it takes is to integrate several pieces of washtowel doctrine together to come up with the above comment. There was absolutely no apostasy there--I don't know why the conductor would not have been able to work it in. Perhaps that Jesus could read hearts (another Washtowel teaching) and could decide that this leper was not evil, but wanted to do good for people. There had to have been a way to work it into the paragraph.

  Hopefully, with more incidents like this (I suspect that it is instructions from the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger to avoid even slightly off-beat comments), that more people will see that it is a scam. Not from the "bad" comments themselves, but from the conductors' reactions to them.
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  AGuest

  May you have peace!

  Jesus did not have to worry about getting it, for whatever reason. (Even the Washtowels acknoledged that he could not have gotten sick.)

  Unfortunately, you are in error on this... as is the WTBTS:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/166846/3089361/post.ashx#3089361

  Therefore, it was safe for Jesus to heal this person.

  He didn't do it because it was "safe" (ft wasn't). He did it because he felt pity for the afflicted and therefore took their sickness into his own body. He knew his flesh was going to be put to death, and so he CHOSE to bear the sins of these people in that flesh... and take their afflictions away with him.

  Dear ones... this is a MAJOR truth! MAJOR. If you don't allow yourselves to "get" this particular truth, you may never get the TRUTH of what God and Christ ARE... what we mean to them... and what they were willing to do for us. If Christ had a body such as could not feel pain or "know" sickness... how then could he BEGIN to sympathize with us? He then could he even BEGIN to be "tested, LIKE us... in ALL respects?"

  This is a major problem with what my Lord is... and what we perceive him to be: sure, HE could undergo suffering and death because HIS body was "perfect"... so he didn't really feel and experience what we do. This... is a LIE. He experienced... and felt... ALL that we do. We only go through one or two... or maybe three... things. He... was tested IN ALL RESPECTS.

  Do you not see the VALUE in that? Do you not see why his suffering was so NOTABLE? Where is the SUFFERING... if the body cannot suffer?

  The verses are there, if you don't have this truth written on your hearts so that you can exercise faith in what I've shared here so that you still need to walk by sight... and see it in writing.

  Isaiah prophesied: he BORE "our" sins! He was ACQUAINTED with SICKNESS. He said to the Pharisees, "No doubt you will say to me, 'Physician (healer)... HEAL THYSELF." Such a thing would not be said to a man who did not appear sick!

  He wasn't tall. He wasn't blonde. He didn't have blue eyes. And he did not have a perfect body.

  He was small. Very. So small, that he could ride on a ONE-YEAR-OLD COLT of an ass.

  His was dark(er) skinned, with dark hair, and his eyes certainly weren't blue. Because he was a JEW.

  And his body was "acquainted with sickness"... so much so that he was disfigured (leprosy disfigures, dear ones)and the people so accounted him as afflicted... by God (and not by the Roman whip!) that they fell away... to the gound... when Judas ID'd him.

  You CANNOT keep looking at what you believe to be the "best" of earthling man... and yet, see God. You cannot. WE are NOT made in God's image. ADHAM was made in God's image... BEFORE he sinned! WE... are made in ADHAM'S image... AFTER he sinned.

  Dear ones, SATAN... is the one "beautiful" in form. And he is the one who fell because he became haughty... BECAUSE of his beauty. My Lord... is not beautiful in form... whether as to his fleshly body or his spirit one. "No stately form does he have. Isaiah 53:2. He is beautiful... IN SPIRIT... as to the man he is... ON THE INSIDE.

  Thus... God... does NOT look at the OUTWARD appearance, but sees what is on the INSIDE.

  Hear... please... and get the SENSE of it. Because if you don't, you will be like those nations who are "startled" and those kings who "shut their mouths"... because what had NOT been recounted to them THEY WILL ACTUALLY SEE. Isaiah 52:15 It is why some of those who see him when he returns will cry out for the mountains to fall over them and cover them!

  There is a reason why earthling man, in his current state, cannot see God... and live. Why He dwells in light.

  Stop looking at... and worrying about... the outward appearance... or you will be in for a great shock. Here Christ, then, when he says, "the flesh... is of NO use... at all." John 6:33

  I bid you peace... and ears to hear... if you truly wish it.

  Your servant and a slave of Christ,

  SA
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  wozadummy

  Aguest ,thank you for acknowledging my post but you hav'nt convinced me ,and please share that lord of yours around a bit and stop keeping him to yourself ,we filthy scum apostates need a bit of lervin'.
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  Eyes Open

  Things like that had always occurred to me. (Like Jehovah would allow his perfect son to be killed by a disease when he hadn't yet been tested sacrificed.) Still swallowed, though.
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  yknot

  Good wording BF!

  Be careful...
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  reniaa

  I know many of us wouldn't hug a leper but would we throw stones? aren't we also judged by how we treat illness, the oT sets down how to deal with leprosy? by time jesus came people were treating lepers as subhuman as well as being in fear of them! so the pity of jesus still counts because he saw the person not the desease?
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  Mary

  reniaa said: by time jesus came people were treating lepers as subhuman as well as being in fear of them!

  Kinda like how JWs are instructed to treat disfellowshipped people eh?
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  Mary

  undercover said: I bet if Jesus were here today, he'd hug a disfellowshipped person...

  Yep....And then at the end of the next meeting, you'd hear the announcment: "...Jesus Christ is no longer a member of the Christian congregation. Let's close the meeting with Song No. 113: Christ, Our Examplar...."