Genesis Error: The Rainbow Covenant

by JosephAlward 23 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • JosephAlward
    JosephAlward

    After the Lord had drowned every living thing on the surface of the earth except Noah and his family and the animals brought to the ark, he told Noah that from that time forth there would be no more apocalyptic floods, and as a token of his good intentions the Lord would create the rainbow:

    And God...spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying...I establish my covenant with you.... neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. (Genesis 9:8-14)

    The Genesis author must have intended for his readers to believe that this rainbow was the first rainbow, otherwise it would have been nothing special. However, that rainbow could not have been the first one, because wherever there is rain and sunlight together, there is a rainbow, and there certainly were both long before Noah. Thus, we see that this story--like so many others in the Bible--cannot be taken literally.

    Joseph F. Alward
    "Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible"

    * http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html

  • COMF
    COMF

    Joe, according to the WBTS explanation, that rainbow would have been the first one, because that was the first time it ever rained. Before that, there was a big cloud canopy all around the earth, so that sunlight did not shine directly down. And the plants were watered by a heavy dew that formed at night.

    If you're going to accept the flood story as truthful long enough to expose the rainbow story as false, then you've got to accept the context too... which makes the rainbow story plausible.

    COMF

  • Thomas Poole
    Thomas Poole

    We don't talk about rain, but we do talk about water, as follows.

    Genesis 1:6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. vs.7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

    So, now the bottom-waters part is concentrated together--the seas and oceans form--to allow the ground to appear. Apparently, the ground rises; the water goes down.

    Now look at all this water from the mist--like a green house effect with self-watering.

    Genesis 2:6. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
    If there was rain at the time, I would think that it would have been mentioned.

    Now about the lights--the water above the firmament apparently became thinner as it could have expanded out in circumference around the earth--as follows:

    Ge. 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
    So, one was able to have light, day and night; stars, and water.

    What should be evident is that the exact geotechnical atmospheric dynamics arrangement at that time between water and light is not discernable.

    Further, in a self-watering bowl of plants, there can be light and water; and to an extent things will grow without external watering.

    Also, although God "set" the rainbow as a symbol. This does not mean there was never a rainbow before then. Whether before then, then, or now; the point is that rainbows seen thereafter are a reminder to both God and man.

    ....I will look at it to remind me of the lasting compact between with you and every living creature whatsoever upon earth.
    Actually, your approach to the subject is a non-sense way to prove anything at all about the rainbow before the flood. Scientific analyses is fun, along with conjecture and speculation about the matter; but for you to speak with absoluteness based upon undiscernable knowledge of earth, heaven, & water conditions at that time is hardly a rational means to disprove the Bible. All I have said here is that you cannot go beyond your own fantasy and fanciful nonsense-thinking about the matter.
    It is most difficult to disproved Christian faith, when the knowledge that develops the faith is not always provable, and it is not necessary that it be provable to the believer or the unbeliver.
    In your anti-God arguments, why contend with the Holy Spirit that (1)gives faith to Christians, and (2)considers you of no consequence in contending with God.
  • ballistic
    ballistic

    Ultimate proof there were rainbows before Noah:

    The bible clearly states that there were rivers in the garden of Eden itself. (as pictured in the bible stories book)

    Rivers = RAIN, not mist, not dew, not dampness but RAIN.

    Rivers are in in-divisible part of "the water cycle" through which water is evapourated into the atmosphere where it forms clouds, condenses and falls to the ground as rain, raising the water table on higher ground and forming springs where this water table meets the surface.

    End of argument.

  • Angharad
  • ballistic
    ballistic

    just in case that wasn't enough:

    Rain plays a huge part in the cleansing of the atmosphere including particulate matter and CO2.
    The biology of many fish requires them to swim from salt water up stream to fresh water to sporn.
    Adam and Eve had to drink fresh water, maybe that got up early every morning and licked the dew off the grass.

  • Bang
    Bang

    Joseph writes:

    The Genesis author must have intended for his readers to believe that this rainbow was the first rainbow, otherwise it would have been nothing special.
    No, that's misguided.
    'This is the sign' explains to man the enduring presence of God - 'see this what I do and it is from beginning to the end, like myself, the Alpha and Omega.'

    "I will set my bow in the clouds etc." assures man He is always there even though not always seen. The rainbow is special Because it has been and will be a sign of Light and water - the bow is not always seen by men at their whim.

    "I will be with you always, to the end of the age"

    Bang

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    Where does God say it was the first rainbow Joe? He doesn't. What in the context tells you it was the first rainbow? There is nothing.

    God only says the bow was set in the clouds as a token of a covenant. It does NOT say for the FIRST TIME nor does it insinuate that premise.

    That (rainbow) covenant was made by God before the flood and only then it's creative pupose was first revealed to Noah in this account FOR THE FIRST TIME.

    God foreknew He would use water to destroy bad right from the beginning.

    "Day" two is the ONLY creative day where God does not say "GOOD" following a creative step. What was made then?

    Gen 1:6-8
    6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning--the second day.

    Where's the GOOD? EVERY other day has one. Why not this one? "Water," the source of life, seperated in TWO, and he just put water above.

    The "waters above" were not given a "good" stamp (even though they in fact were good) to indicate that these waters in the sky would be used for bad, the destruction of the ungodly men of Noah's day.

    TWO waters seperated.

    This 77, became 7...7

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    Most of you have seen this by now but for those who have not, here is a drawing of the Hebrew Universe.

    > http://www.garybuss.org/hebrew_universe.htm

    gb

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    pom, where are you coming from? are you still a believer in the flood or are you still a JW?

    Either way...

    God foreknew He would use water to destroy bad right from the beginning.
    contradicts the fact that God regretted creating man at the time of the flood.

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