any problems with this 607 response from Elder PO

by besty 42 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Awakened at Gilead
    Awakened at Gilead
    everyone agrees with 539 BCE for the fall of Babylon, and 537 BCE as the date of the return from exile.

    Who is everyone? 537 BCE is not in the Bible... The specific amount of time between Cyrus conquering and the Jews going back is not mentioned, since the account merely mentions which month they all went back... the WT says it plainly when they say "it is reasonable to believe that the Israelites went back in 537 BCE...

    *** w64 2/1 p. 80 pars. 5-6 The Comely Feet of the Messengers ***

    Jehovah God had decreed that their land should rest without inhabitants for seventy years. Its seventieth year of sabbath-keeping began in the early autumn of 538 B.C., about the time of the Jewish Day of Atonement. Cyrus’ decree of liberation was published in the first year of his reign. Babylon fell before him in 539 B.C., and Bible chronologers figure that his first regnal year began in the spring of the year following, on Nisan 1, 538 B.C., which would be six months before the seventieth year of sabbath-keeping of the land of Judah began. If Cyrus had issued his decree early in 538 B.C. as his first regnal year, the exiled Jews could have made the journey back to their land before its seventieth year of sabbath-keeping began, which would have been contrary to Jehovah’s prophecy. Or they might have had to journey through the rainy winter months of the year, which would be from October through March. This would not be too good.

    6 By the calculation above, Cyrus’ first regnal year would end on March 5 of 537 B.C., or toward the end of the rainy season. Doubtless he considerately issued his decree near the end of the rainy season, shortly before March 5 of 537 B.C., and in that way the exiled Israelites could make arrangements to travel in the convenient dry season from April through September. They evidently made the four-month-long journey from Babylon during the dry months, for by October they were back and settled in their beloved homeland, before the first day of their seventh lunar month.—Ezra 3:1.

    But it could have been 538 or 536 for all we know... can you count the number of possibel statements above (they are highlighted for your convenience...)

    The proof is then: 537 must be true, since if it is not, then Jehovah lied to us about 607... circular reasoning at its best!

    Another point: What they fail to say is: "Evreyone except us agree with 587 too, we are the only idiots that don't agree with the facts!"

    A@G

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    wait a second [email protected] this mean you do not beleive that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607BCE, even after the overwhelming evidence displayed by renowned scholars, ahem I mean the writing dept for the WT? Then you don't beleive in the sophistacated formula (ahem, I mean intense mental gymnastics) that would carry you to 1914 as the end of the gentile Times? Then you don't beleive that in 1919 the WT was chosen by Jesus to handle his earthly affairs? You think you know better than the faithful and discreet slave??????

    LOL I'm puking here I think.

  • besty
    besty
    Doubtless he considerately issued

    Make that five 'evidentlys'

  • badboy
    badboy

    Isn't there another poential problems?

    the lenght of a year was different back then.

  • besty
    besty

    @badboy correct - years were different back then :-) no matter though - in the wacky world of 'giving primacy to Bible chronology' it's all good....

    Utilising yet another method of calculation, the Seven Times are explained as 'lunar' days converted to 'solar' years. Taking a 'time' to be equal to a 360 day lunar year, seven times are 2520 days, which become 2520 lunar years. However, from 607 B.C. to 1914 A.D. is 2520 solar years, so this prophecy is worked out as 1 lunar day equalling 1 solar year.

    from http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/revelation.htm

  • badboy
    badboy

    IF I AM READING THAT CORRECTLY,HAVE I HEARD IT ALL NOW?

  • sweet pea
    sweet pea

    indeed - a lunar day is worth a solar year - that's the wormhole you pass through when biblical and secular chronology collide

  • badboy
    badboy

    BESTY AND SWEETPEA ,IS THERE ANYTHING I HAVEN'T HEARD OF BEFORE IN THIS JW ETC BUSINESS.

    PLEASE INFORM ME OF ANYTHING ELSE I MIGHT NOT HAVE HEARD BEFORE

  • sir82
    sir82

    PLEASE INFORM ME OF ANYTHING ELSE I MIGHT NOT HAVE HEARD BEFORE

    The worlds oldest piece of chewing gum is over 9000 years old!

    More people use blue toothbrushes, than red ones!

    Slugs have 4 noses!

    The fear of vegetables is called Lachanophobia!

  • badboy
    badboy

    THE CHEWING GUM WAS IN WEST FINLAND

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