johnnyc
In truth, I think many of you have traveled too far left, and it shows.
What have any of us said that make you think, that we think like leftists, socialist, communist?
Deceptive or just wrong?
by johnnyc 193 Replies latest jw experiences
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Deputy Dog
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Vinny
I think both Johnny and Reniaa are probably legit. Like many folks on the way IN, or OUT of WT-world, they have questions/opinions/doubts about religion and the WT Society in particular. And this is as good a place as any to debate those issues.
I seriously doubt that any of arguments put up by Reniaa and Johnny C over the past few months are persuasive enough to make ANYBODY go running back to the organization. In fact, quite the contrary in my own case. Their arguments, IMHO, are just plain weak and only confirmed why I left altogether.
I was a 15 year JW until just recently. I left the JW faith based on an intense, sincere, honest and thorough examination of the entire range of facts as they truly are. I looked at ALL SIDES OF THE ISSUES.
My exact reasons for leaving and story out can be found here: http://exjehovahswitnessforum.yuku.com/topic/922/t/Letter-of-disassociation.html
I did not want to leave the WT Society. I raised all my kids as JW's. I was married to a JW. All of our employees were JW. I was a very busy elder with many responsibilities, enormous respect and numerous friends. I did not want to leave or go looking for critical info. IT FOUND ME.
But facts are facts here folks. The JW's have had more mistakes, flip-flops, false predictions, medical disasters, blinking lights, wacky teachings and TOTAL EMBARRASSMENTS than any single religion during the past 100 years.
TAKE A LOOK:
http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm
One whiff of that bad boy tells it like it is for most reasonable, thinking people.
Jehovah was never behind these sorry teachings that were forced on JW's at risk of being DF'd and losing everything you know.
Did God say Organ Transplants were same as "Cannibalism" in 1968?
Did God then change his mind in 1980 and now say organ transplants are okay to have?
Did God offer bad food back then?
Did God change his mind on Alternative service, Vaccinations, blood and fractions, rape rules, homosexuality and bestiality not breaking the marriage ties too?
I could list hundreds, even THOUSANDS of things similar.
Did God say the end would come in 1914, 1925, 1975, before the year 2000 and before the generation that was born in 1914 died out?
Was God responsible for all those sorry teachings, IN WRITING, found throughout the WT Society literature for over 100 years?
Was God behind Beth-Sarim too? What another sorry joke that was too.
Or is the simple truth that a group of MEN from New York City are the ones behind all those sorry things that they got wrong again and again yet demanded complete obedience along the way?
All these things that JW's said were "Food from God" WERE WRONG THE MINUTE THE CAME OFF THE PRESSES.
God was not behind any of it and the evidence proves he never chose the JW's for anything.
The only people that say God has chosen JW's are JW's themselves. Not very convincing here folks.
Sure the apostles made mistakes just like people today make mistakes.
But when the disciples wrongly thought that Kingdom Rule was about to begin they ASKED JESUS ABOUT IT... and he corrected them.
They did not PUBLISH THOSE WRONG BELIEFS as JW's have done again and again.
If they did then the bible would not be anything more than some good book to most folks today.
If the bible writers had the same sorry history as the JW's do today then all credibility that God is behind the bible writers would be shot down in flames.
The printed page tells it like it is.
http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm
And despite this sorry list of embarrassments, that is the JW's BABY FOR LIFE, they say that everybody must now become JW or be DOOMED TO DESTRUCTION.
And this thread proves why the JW's ARE WRONG ON BLOOD TODAY, 11-2008!
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/150613/1.ashx
Sorry folks, but WT world is not anything but another controlling religious institution that makes great boasts and claims about themselves.
And nothing posted by Reniaa or Johnny C has changed one single thing. In fact has only confirmed what most of us have already come to find out on our own. The WT Society is not God's anything.
The FACTS really do tell it like it is. Sorry.
Vinny
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BizzyBee
reniaa:
Are you saying because I wasn't an elder or in the bethel I wouldn't have any idea how an organisation is run? I worked for a very big company and saw first hand what a heirachy based org can do, the cliques, the gossip, the isolation if you feel like you don't fit in, the intense ambition but I also read the bible and noticed how the Appostles constantly fought within themselves as to who was the greatest and then in the NT people were boasting in groups on who got to baptise them.
johnnyc:
Deputy Dog: Nice Ronald Regan quip...but that has been done. Have you ever worked for a big company? You cannot effectively do anything in a publishing house of hundreds of employees (including different departments) without having a serious plan to do such. Whereas I agree that a person can be controlling without purposefully planning such, you can't get that across in an atmosphere like Bethel without large scale planning.
Interesting. Just sayin'.
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Angharad
I think we have had enough of the accusations about Johnny's identity for one day.