your right tikjimo there is no contradiction, I am so sorely tempted to put up some JWD threads were people have been encouraged to leave their "mind-controlled spouses" encouraged to give them the 'It's me or Jw's" ultimatum.
Notice this Contradiction on How Jehovah's Witnesses View Marriage
by flipper 48 Replies latest jw friends
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flipper
TIJKMO- The information that was given out to the witnesses in the new book regarding " separating for spiritual endangerment " was meant for witnesses to read and discuss. The information in the " public only " Watchtower fails to mention this provision and only paints a rosy picture of how Jehovah's Witnesses view mixed religious marriages. Of course there is a contradiction - they only want people they call on in the field service to see the best possible side of the witness organization. Once they get baptized, and indoctrinated - the other shoe drops off and people are expected to tow the line more so ! So , like most cults - Jehovah's Witnesses don't explain ALL features of this to newly interested ones. And yes- it is the WT societies fault for allowing too lenient of an interpretation of " absolute endangerment of spirituality " by the bodies of elders as they use it as a battering stick to break up perfectly good marriages - just like they did my friend and his wife - who left him because of viewing the internet apostate websites , and prompting from the elders. So what they say in their publications as opposed to what they really do in action, or encourage - are 2 separate things.
RENIAA- The JW apologist strikes again, eh ? Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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reniaa
Possibly Mr flipper but like wt JWD leaves written evidence and you know those threads exist as well as I do.
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flipper
RENIAA- Very true - those threads exist where people have encouraged unbelieving spouses to leave their " mind controlled " witness mates. In certain situations I agree it would be better for both parties to work it out. But we both know there are circumstances where it would not work out in mixed marriages as well, religiously. But if Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be God's organization - they should not be encouraging any witnesses to leave their non-witness mates for " absolute spiritual endangerment ". It's a too broadly used term, hard to define.
Hey Reniaa- I was just curious - are you still an attending witness ? You say you believe in it. You don't look very happy in your picture in your avatar. You are an attractive woman. Smile more sis ! Be authentic and smile - it will add years to your life. Are things going alright for you in your life right now as a Jehovah's Witness ? Just curious - because I care as an agnostic /atheist . Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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sammielee24
Under the subheading : Do Jehovah's Witnesses encourage their members to separate from a marriage mate who is not a Witness ? It states : " No. The apostle Paul wrote : " If any brother has an unbelieving wife, and yet she is agreeable to dwelling with him , let him not leave her ; and a woman who has an unbelieving husband , and yet he is agreeable to dwelling with her , let her not leave her husband. Jehovah's Witnesses abide by this command
We all know that what the society says and what it really means and then applies are two different things. Let's say there are 2 couples - one full bonded JW couple and the other a JW woman with an UBM. The men in both instances are caught looking at porn and both women go to the elders for counsel. They cite separation for spiritual reasons.
Now, look at the core belief of the witnesses regarding worldly people. Bird food. Scum. Not fit to live. So it stands to reason that the woman with the UBM will get much more sympathy and support on her decision to leave her mate based rather simplistically on the fact that JW's find worldly people replusive anyway. sammieswife.
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flipper
SAMMIE's WIFE- Very true what you say. You hit on the point I'm trying to get across. What the WT society says in print is very different than what they do in application . They say flowery things in the new " worldly people only " magazines they deliver in field service - but make the people tow the line once they get sucked into the cult. And as you say - they certainly make witnesses who have unbelieving mates feel very inadequate and don't include them as often in their social gatherings. I know - as I was going to meetings 6 or 7 years ago with my 2nd wife - a unbeliever - even me and my witness daughters were NEVER invited socially anywhere. So yes - the witnesses do have double standards
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tijkmo
the new book will be offered to the public soon enough i guess...and the information is no different to information already in print for public consumption...e.g.
*** w88 11/1 pp. 22-23 When Marital Peace Is Threatened ***
Grounds for Separation
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Paul’s words at 1 Corinthians 7:10-16 encourage marriage mates to stay together. Yet, some, after trying very hard to preserve their marriage relationship, have finally decided that, in all conscience, they have no choice but to separate. What may be the grounds for such a step?10
Willfulnonsupport is one basis for separation. When entering wedlock, a husband assumes the responsibility of providing for his wife and any children they may have. The man who does not provide for members of his household "has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith." (1 Timothy 5:8) So separation is possible if there is willful nonsupport. Of course, appointed elders should give careful consideration to an accusation that a Christian is refusing to support his wife and family. Stubborn refusal to support one’s family may result in disfellowshipping.11
Extremephysicalabuse is another basis for separation. Suppose an unbelieving mate often gets drunk, becomes enraged, and causes the believer physical harm. (Proverbs 23:29-35) Through prayer and by displaying the fruitage of Jehovah’s spirit, the believer may be able to prevent such outbursts and make the situation endurable. But if the point is reached where the health and life of the abused mate actually are in jeopardy, separation would be allowable Scripturally. Again, congregation elders should look into charges of physical abuse when two Christians are involved in the troubled marriage, and disfellowshipping action may have to be taken.—Compare Galatians 5:19-21; Titus 1:7.12
Absoluteendangermentof spirituality also provides a basis for separation. The believer in a religiously divided home should do everything possible to take advantage of God’s spiritual provisions. But separation is allowable if an unbelieving mate’s opposition (perhaps including physical restraint) makes it genuinely impossible to pursue true worship and actually imperils the believer’s spirituality. Yet, what if a very unhealthy spiritual state exists where both mates are believers? The elders should render assistance, but especially should the baptized husband work diligently to remedy the situation. Of course, if a baptized marriage partner acts like an apostate and tries to prevent his mate from serving Jehovah, the elders should handle matters according to the Scriptures. If disfellowshipping takes place in a case involving absolute endangerment of spirituality, willful nonsupport, or extreme physical abuse, the faithful Christian who seeks a legal separation would not be going against Paul’s counsel about taking a believer to court.—1 Corinthians 6:1-8.13
If circumstances are extreme, then, separation may be warranted. But flimsy pretexts obviously should not be used to obtain a separation. Any Christians who do separate must bear personal responsibility for that action and should realize that all of us will render an account to Jehovah.—Hebrews 4:13.***g022/8p.10MarriageShouldBeaPermanentBond***
DIVORCEANDSEPARATIONGod, the Originator of marriage, designed it to be a permanent union. But is there any Scriptural reason for a person to divorce his or her mate—and one that would allow for the possibility of remarrying? Jesus addressed this matter by declaring: "I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, exceptonthegroundoffornication, and marries another commits adultery." (Matthew 19:9) Sexual infidelity by a mate is the only ground for a divorce that will allow the innocent mate to remarry.
In addition, the Bible’s words at 1 Corinthians 7:10-16, while encouraging marriage mates to stay together, allow for separation. Some, after trying very hard to preserve their marriage, feel they have no choice but to separate. What can be acceptable Scriptural grounds for such a step?
One is willfulnonsupport. When getting married, a husband assumes the responsibility of providing for his wife and children. The man who willfully fails to provide the material necessities of life "has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith." (1 Timothy 5:8) So separation is possible.
Another is extremephysicalabuse. So then, if a mate physically abuses his wife, the victim may separate. (Galatians 5:19-21; Titus 1:7) "Anyone loving violence [God’s] soul certainly hates."—Psalm 11:5.
Another ground for separation is the absoluteendangermentofabeliever’sspirituality—one’s relationship with God. When a mate’s opposition, perhaps including physical restraint, has made it impossible to pursue true worship and has imperiled the believer’s spirituality, then some believers have found it necessary to separate.—Matthew 22:37; Acts 5:27-32.
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flipper
TIJKMO- Whatever man. You are just making excuses for a " mind control " organization. Carry on
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sammielee24
SAMMIE's WIFE- Very true what you say. You hit on the point I'm trying to get across. What the WT society says in print is very different than what they do in application . They say flowery things in the new " worldly people only " magazines they deliver in field service - but make the people tow the line once they get sucked into the cult. And as you say - they certainly make witnesses who have unbelieving mates feel very inadequate and don't include them as often in their social gatherings. I know - as I was going to meetings 6 or 7 years ago with my 2nd wife - a unbeliever - even me and my witness daughters were NEVER invited socially anywhere. So yes - the witnesses do have double standards. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
I'm a walking talking advertisement on how a 'worldly' person gets treated by JW's and it isn't a pretty picture. I make sure that others in the 'world' know what happens inside, every chance I get. I make sure that the two witness rule and shunning are levelled to a point where those other 'worldly' people understand that what the nicely dressed door knockers tell you, either in print or by visit, is not what they practice themselves. I usually ask the mothers if they would walk away from their kids and never speak to them again, ever, nor see them again, ever, for doing something wrong, if their church told them to - or if they would deny medical treatment for their kids if told to do so. That usually elicits a negative reaction. I've heard JW relatives talk about grandkids, siblings..grandparents who are not in the society and quite frankly, the total disregard for their family, the derision and repulsiveness they show, makes me ill. The rules are very very different and I have a really hard time comprehending the 'love,support and respect' that a JW claims to have , while at the same time knowing that at their core, they abhor contact with and believe the world is immoral, demonistic and evil. That points to anothing more than a big sham to me. sammieswife.
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tijkmo
TIJKMO- Whatever man. You are just making excuses for a " mind control " organization. Carry on. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
aha the universal 'whatever' defence