by Deputy Dog 69 Replies latest jw friends
On Badboy's thread about writing to the GB or bethel I asked how can the guys answering the questions not wake up,and surely the question and their reply gets some approval from above,so really the GB must know where they stand, THEY ARE LIARS.
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Wobble
It seems these guys really have you buffaloed.
Me and Ray. I'm in good company.
While I certainly beleive the WT will be dishonest to support their doctrine I beleive that they beleive they are God's channel. I beleive that they beleive, need to beleive, have to beleive this. And the longer they are in it, the longer they do it, the more they invest in it...the more they have to be right...at whatever the costs may be.
Good topic, good discussion.
I would tend to lean towards GB knowingly deceiving. It is a ruse and they know it. At some point, they know it. There is a line that is crossed. They would have to embrace some sort of "GOD" complex....call it BTM syndrome (Better than Men)....to survive the daily grind.
The problem they can't escape in their ruse is that they are just men. When they play the "God" card and are wrong, they pull out the "just men" card, correct their error and go back to playing "God". The only way this would not be a major deception is if they presented the FDS for what it is and give the R&F the CHOICE to be guided by it or not. Instead they wield their "proper food" and demand that it is eaten and not questioned. The TRUTH is that there is a major cover up going on and the closer to the internal workings of the WTS one gets, the more aware of this they become. Self deception would work for awhile, but I can't buy that the hundreds involved in keeping the FDS viable are all insane enough to actually believe that it is okay.
They put on the facade with one another that they are doing it for the good of the sheep, yet what they are doing is peddling a LIE and calling it the TRUTH. They have to know that. Waiting for the end to come hoping it will happen before they get caught with their pants down.
Their motivation IMO is to cover their asses, and perhaps the asses that came before them.
wings
I can imagine that each GB member deep down feels that he SHOULD believe
they are God's channel, and by their talk, he assumes that he is the only one
who doubts that. He's afraid to admit it, and cognitive dissonance kicks in.
"They believe it. They say there's proof. I hate to think I did all that field circus
and sacrificing for nothing. I am here now, so Jehovah wants to use me. I will
just assume that I will eventually believe it and, meanwhile, act accordingly."
Eventually, he forgets about not believing it.
LWT
Confronted with a life or death blood issue, a JW may choose death, and yet this doesn't open their eyes, or open the eyes of their loved ones, in many cases. A GB member casting a single vote in a weekly meeting is not necessarily going to awaken him. He sits down at that table, not even comprehending (as Ray says) that he IS the organization. He just sits down and fulfills a role that dozens of others before him did, with no problem.
I suppose most criminals justify what they do, even most murderers believe they are justified while in a rage of anger or seeking revenge, but we still hold people responsible for their actions.
Are you saying that the first time they stop to take a vote, they don't know, deep down, something is wrong here? If they really believed this is how God runs his kingdom, shouldn't they fear being on the losing side (opposing God)? Doesn't the winning side well up with pride (sin) because God is on their side. Maybe Ray should expect a little more of them. He admits he had a conscience before he made the brake.
Sorry, but, I'm not convinced that they don't know at some level, delusion and self-deception aside.
Fear is another wildcard in this, when enough fear is brought to bare on a person, they will most often fall to the pressure and still do what they know is wrong.
Anyone think that a sort of gang, mentality plays into this discussion?
deputy dog: I'm amazed at how many on this forum, believe the GB really believes their own lie, that they are God's "official channel".
It just occurred to me that I am sure if the GB has ever said they are "Gods offical channel".......i may be mistaken but i think they usually say the FDS is gods channel, which really pisses me off....
i met a df'd couple of friends that sounded like moonies they were so happy...happy that they got married recently and are soooo close to getting back in!!!....after free for the past nine years!....anyway...he told me that only the GB is the FDS, so i then set him straight on 50 things (sorry)....but i did inform him that the fds's claim to be the CHANNEL guided by god is a farce, since the FDS is ALL the anointed on earth at any time....ya the poor idiots that somehow never die....all 9 or 10 thousand of them....and they have NOTHING to do with contributing to JW teachings...just the handful of guys in brooklyn that have claimed all the power and pass it on to whom they choose...
and i begged them NOT to read the Proclaimers book or look up anything on the internet and to follow the KM's instructions to use ONLY WT publications when doing bible research....oh... and to not ever express their real opinion on anything if it does not agree 100% with the FDS...or they may be marked...and shunned....and not allowed to comment or give talks....and it could end up with being df'd for apostasy!....geeze i just love doing that!.....they now know they are just like me....................oompa
I have no problem placing 100% of the blame and responsibility on the GB.
So far, we have assumptions, but no evidence that they believe anything other than they are God's channel, doing his will.
Their motives and sincerity do not justify anything that they do.
Unless we can somehow read their minds, we'll never know, unless they leave and tell us.
Their motives and sincerity do not justify anything that they do.
Agreed. Despite their intentions, someone is responsible for all the bullshit proclamations that come from on high as if from God himself. Since they have dared to speak as "God's Channel" whether they believe it themselves or not, they alone are responsible for anyone who faces hardships by following the "counsel" of this sorry group of disgusting men.
I don't usually have a problem with the rank and file JWs. Most of them are victims (though some revel in the assumed power and privilege they think they have). But its the Governing Body members who I have reserved my anger and hatred for. This group of men have ruined countless lives, hell, not only ruined, but killed. Due to their writings people have refused medical procedures that could have saved them; people have suffered greatly, some to the point of death for remaining loyal to this fucked up group of men.
These men are wholly responsible no matter what they believe...but they'll never pay. The fucking bastards.
Deputy Dog,
When I came into this religion I had no idea they had a group of men who considered themselves 'God's channel'. Boy, was I kept in the dark. I suppose if they laid all their cards on the table nobody would join.
The rude awakening came later. What did I find? That they have a group of men who consider themselves to be God's channel. Even though I was a young dope, I never really believed this literally. I just figured there was a hidden code in the bible and they figured it out. I kept it to myself that I didn't really believe this although it is rather silly if anybody does believe this. They would have to ask the question: How does God communicate with them? Do they go into a trance or something?
If anybody is so special that God communicates with them, I would certainly love to meet these special brothers and shake their hands. In fact, there should be a parade for them.
LHG
