I finally said it...It's time for us to get divorce

by kzjw 38 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  isaacaustin

  "We have the opportunity to show love for our brothers who take the lead in the congregation or in connection with Jehovah's visible organization worldwide. This includes being loyal to "the faithful and discreet slave." (Matthew 24:45-47) Let us face the fact that no matter how much Bible reading we have done, we would never have learned the truth on our own." (The Watchtower, December 1, 1990, p. 19).

  "No matter where we may live on earth, God's Word continues to serve as a light to our path and a lamp to our roadway as to our conduct and beliefs. (Ps. 119:105) But Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his "faithful and discreet slave," made up of spirit anointed ones, to help Christians in all nations to understand and apply properly the Bible in their lives. Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do." (The Watchtower; December 1, 1981, p. 27). "They say that it is sufficient to read the Bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such 'Bible reading,' they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom's clergy were teaching 100 years ago,..." (Watchtower; Aug. 15, 1981; p. 29).
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  isaacaustin

  8/15/58 WT page 485

  THE magazine you are reading is the official journal of the Watch Tower Society. The policy of this Society rests on four basic premises: (1) that there is a Supreme Being, the Creator of heaven and earth, whose name is Jehovah God; (2) that the Bible is his inspired and infallible Word; (3) that God has ever had a channel or means of communicating between himself and man; (4) that today the Watch Tower Society is being used as a legal servant by God’s channel. As indicated by the title of this article, a discussion of the last two of these basic premise, follows.

  That God has ever had on earth a man, society or organization to serve as a means of communication or channel the Bible clearly shows. Thus in the very beginning God informed Adam regarding his will for him, and Adam in turn instructed Eve, telling her, for instance, about God’s command not to eat of the fruit of a certain tree. Of course, after Adam rebelled God no longer used him in this capacity.—Genesis, chapters 2 and 3.

  Abel doubtless informed those about him of the right way to worship God, at least by example if not also by word of mouth. After him came Enoch, who prophesied of a coming judgment, even as Jesus’ disciple Jude tells us at verse 14. Then ...
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  AudeSapere

  I won't pretend to have any advice. Just an observation or two of your own words:

  you wrote: I would never have married someone that close-minded. Life is about exploring the world around you, and that can't be done if all you do revolves around a set of considerations to put the wt first under the guise Jehovah. As an average witness, my wife doesn't catch the literary nuances used by the writers, so she believes it is God.

  Is she open-minded about other things? If so, there is hope for her to reason through things as some point.

  Might just be that she is a little lazy about religion and taking what feels to be an easy route - not challenging the org. It works for some people. She is just not ready to see the reality that we've seen. Is that really a crime and reason to divorce?

  Only you two can decide what's in your best interests.

  Oh! Your caution on ex-jw obsession is well-taken. It's easy for us to become obsessed and miss the rest of our lives.

  -Aude.
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  LovesDubs

  I was rabid as well...I felt violated, foolish, angy, deceived...you name it and I RAILED agains the WTS and everybody in it! At that point, my JW husband and I had been married 10 years and had three children. We had some seriously horrible fights about the WTS. Accusations flew both ways and he maintained his superiority to me because "you left Jehovah"...and we argued over the kids going to the hall and people there telling them their mommy was going to be killed by Jehovah at Armageddon because she was now with Satan.

  Eventually there became a wall between us that we avoided discussing. Avoided aluding too....but it was there. in 2002 we damn near came to blows over him wanting to take the kids to the hall and them NOT wanting to go...just because he COULD. He himself didnt go to the meetings. He ddnt study. He did read anything....he didnt give a shit about the religion but was determined to hurt ME by taking my kids to the hall to make himself look better.

  I stood OVER them...literally and said if he tried to take them I would break his arm. And I meant it. He never tried again. And he has been the hall now whcih is right behind us....maybe 10 times in 9 years. But the kids are out of it entirely. He raises his holier than thou head on holidays despite being totally not active at all. Zero time in the ministry. But he will huff and stick his nose up at the holidays while he is playing poker on line. ("Its not gambling if you arent using real money!")

  But we stayed married. Im not sure that dealing with this to preserve the marriage was worth it. If we hadnt had kids it wouldnt have been an issue I would have left.

  Think about where you want to be five years from now.
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  Sarah Smiles

  YOU have my blessings! now will you go get that attorney before something else is said!

  Someone has to leave, who is it going to be?

  So when is the divorce party in 90 days? see you on another site.
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  IP_SEC

  Why did I ask for a divorce? I asked my wife through whom can one communicate with Jehovah? Her answer, "Jesus Christ"...I agreed. Then I asked, "Can anyone claim to be God's sole channel of communication?"

  Well thats a fucked up reason for a divorce. I hope its not your only one. Best of luck.
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  kzjw

  So yesterday I recieve this text from my wife after she did some "research" on WT article claims of being "God's Org" & "the mother"...

  "I looked u those dates and agree with them and there's 3 important requirements for salvation revealed in the bible. 1) John 13:35. 2) John 17:26. 3) John 18:36. The mother has to do with the groom & bride once the bride gave birth"

  OK, so what am I to interpret from this? By saying she agrees with them, does she mean the society? What does the use of those scriptures mean? 1) is the last verse from the new commandment -- 2) is the last verse from Jesus' prayer for all and 3) one of the verses from Pilate's court.-- none of which seem to point to our salvation. Do these verses justify the WTBS placing themselves as God's sole channel or as JW's "Mother"? Is my calling it blasphemy over the top?

  I didn't want to respond to her yet, because I don't want to argue or attack. So what's your opinion?

  KZJW
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  Awakened at Gilead

  "I looked u those dates and agree with them and there's 3 important requirements for salvation revealed in the bible. 1) John 13:35. 2) John 17:26. 3) John 18:36. The mother has to do with the groom & bride once the bride gave birth"

  By all means, don't argue... but ask for further clarification:

  1. When did the bride give birth and become a mother (this will lead her to 1919, and then just kindly ask for proof and ask her to inspect the WT literature back then). I think this is the best point you can use.

  2. You probably agree that God's word is truth (John 17:26). Most religions agree on that, that's the basis for their religion. However, when Jesus said this, only the OT existed. Why use the NT then, much less the WT?

  3. Christians should be no part of the world (18:36). However, what that scripture means is subject to interpretation.

  4. Love one another (John 13:35). Didn't Jesus also love his enemies? Why do JWs hate those who leave their ranks then?

  I would also ask: Where does the NT mention JWs? Which NT manuscript uses the name YHWH? Where is the WT mentioned in the Bible? How does she know that the WT is God's only channel of communication?

  I know you have a tough road ahead. Unless your marriage is bad on other fronts (as mine was), you may wish to be patient with her and see whether she can really defend her mother-godess-org doctrine.

  I am happy with my decision to leave my JW wife... but others, like OTWO and Danielp, are relatively happy with their JW wives and have come to peace. You need to make your own decision that you can be happy with.

  A@G
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  insearchoftruth

  I think the patience approach is where to go. My wife is presently only studying with the JWs, but I feel around the holidays they are a bit more vocal and aggressive than they normally are, trying to push their ways on people because it is what Jehovah wants. I hope to get through this weekend, and with the way my wife was last evening, it will be difficult, but then the few week stretch to Christmas will start ok, but get worse, but I need to look at all the qualities of the woman, not the ones being imposed on her by the organization and realize if she and I can come to some compromise, some meeting of the minds that there are many wonderful qualities about her.....

  It is not easy, I am not a patient person, so this goes against my grain...but I see no other path right now that has a hope of working. When I push back she talks to the dubs and pushes back even harder......when I ask the innocent but leading question, she also goes to the dubs, but I can only hope it is making her think as well......

  Best of luck to you kzjw, you are in my thoughts.....

  ISOT
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  OnTheWayOut

  I have developed such a disdain for the WTBS that I can no longer have a conversation with my wife without attacking her religion.

  That happens to many of us. Fading kept me from being that way, but just barely.
  I still have trouble starting to say things to my wife about me and what I discover about
  me without going into a tirade about WTS.

  I asked my wife through whom can one communicate with Jehovah?

  Most JW's cannot answer good questions. Don't be so hard on her because she doesn't
  know doctrine or details.

  Not trying to relate to your decision to divorce, but you need to work out your frustration.
  JWD is like free therapy, but you get what you pay for. Your free therapy might be better
  than nothing, but it might not be good enough. You are angry about what WTS did to you
  and taught you. I have been there. I had to get to a counselor. I had to get friends from
  Ex-JW's who understand what I am going through.

  As far as divorce goes, many have decided to stay in a strange strained relationship.
  I am one of them. I must say that I have to dodge certain issues and restrain myself about
  some things I do, and I have trouble with each holiday and every vacation involves her getting
  to a Kingdom Hall. Not everyone has a great relationship despite all that. I do, so I stay.
  It certainly is not up to others whether you should stay in such a situation. But be sure it's
  really what you want and not just a lashing out from your anger. She doesn't think for herself,
  but neither did you for awhile while you were captive to their beliefs. Strength to you in your
  path.