"Draw close to God, and he will"....never speak to you.....

by oompa 74 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • undercover
    undercover
    ...you must understand that our understanding of God has grown over time, and we see this progression in Scripture. The image of God presented to some extent reflects the limited understanding of the people at that stage of humanity's spiritual development. There is an old saying that God meets man where he is at. And the people of that time were pretty bloody. Here is a another way to see it: Humans interpret God's instructions in the context of their current reality...

    Simply stated: Man invented God in his own image

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    I can only think that if you understand God to be GOD...then would you really want him to talk back to you?

    I mean, we are not thinking of God in the way that Morgan Freeman played him for laughs in "Bruce Almighty" , are we?

    As the WT said yesterday (I quote what they say, I do not uphold it) but the scripture said "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God"

    I just mean that a GOD , is not someone that I consider would have a relaxed yarn with me, He would not be much of a GOD would he?

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    There are many ways to communicate that do not involve speaking.

  • Jeremy C
    Jeremy C

    A@G wrote:

    Yes oomps, it doesn't matter which translation you use.
    The Bible condones slavery, rape, concubinage, and murder of apostates.
    Not exactly my kind of moral standards. In any translation.

    Ah, but you see A@G; you and I are obviously too small to understand the lofty things of God. Yahweh always acted justly. Those individuals were deserving of theocratic discipline. Besides, we all know that infanticide is detestable to God, unless it was a Babylonian or Canaanite baby. It that case, smiting the young with the sword was merely God's judgement. They'll be resurected. See how it all works out?

    I guess that we do not have God's holy spirit to see Yahweh's mercy and tender loving kindness. Those Muslims who flew planes into the World Trade Center were obviously terrorists. But the Israellite men who slaughtered unarmed women, children, and the elderly were just doing what God told them to do. See? It's all very simple.

    You just gotta have faith!

  • Awakened at Gilead
    Awakened at Gilead

    Yep, I love Yahweh!

    (Psalm 137:9) 9 Happy will he be that grabs ahold and does dash to pieces Your children against the crag.

    (Psalm 3:7) . . .Do arise, O Jehovah! Save me, O my God! For you will have to strike all my enemies on the jaw. The teeth of wicked ones you will have to break.

    And since Yahweh is such a violent god, I guess he hates himself:

    (Psalm 11:5) . . .Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, And anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.

    I'd rather be supercillious and say that I can't draw close to a God that wants to killl me and my children just because we are not worshipping him. Worshipping Yahweh is much more immoral than being an atheist.

  • Jeremy C
    Jeremy C

    (Psalm 137:9) 9 Happy will he be that grabs ahold and does dash to pieces Your children against the crag.

    (Psalm 3:7) . . .Do arise, O Jehovah! Save me, O my God! For you will have to strike all my enemies on the jaw. The teeth of wicked ones you will have to break.

    Oh, this is God's Word you were quoting! Silly me. For a second there, I thought you were quoting the Koran.

  • Awakened at Gilead
    Awakened at Gilead

    Jeremy,

    Let's not even get into the 42 children mauled by the she-bears cause they called someone a bald-head.

    God = killer of innocent children? YES

    (2 Kings 2:23-24) . . .As he was going up on the way, there were small boys that came out from the city and began to jeer him and that kept saying to him: “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” 24 Finally he turned behind him and saw them and called down evil upon them in the name of Jehovah. Then two she-bears came out from the woods and went tearing to pieces forty-two children of their number.

    God = killer of people who don't agree with him? YES

    (Deuteronomy 13:6-9) . . .“In case your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or your cherished wife or your companion who is like your own soul, should try to allure you in secrecy, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ whom you have not known, neither you nor your forefathers, 7 some of the gods of the peoples who are all around YOU, the ones near you or those far away from you, from one end of the land to the other end of the land, 8 you must not accede to his wish or listen to him, nor should your eye feel sorry for him, nor must you feel compassion, nor cover him [protectively]; 9 but you should kill him without fail. Your hand first of all should come upon him to put him to death, and the hand of all the people afterward.

    God = killer of people who are just not too sure or maybe a tad young? YES

    (Ezekiel 9:5-10) . . .And to these [others] he said in my ears: “Pass through the city after him and strike. Let not your eye feel sorry, and do not feel any compassion. 6 Old man, young man and virgin and little child and women YOU should kill off—to a ruination. But to any man upon whom there is the mark do not go near, and from my sanctuary YOU should start.” So they started with the old men that were before the house. 7 And he said further to them: “Defile the house and fill the courtyards with the slain ones. Go forth!” And they went forth and struck in the city. 8 And it came about that, while they were striking and I was left remaining, I proceeded to fall upon my face and cry out and say: “Alas, O Sovereign Lord Jehovah! Are you bringing to ruin all the remaining ones of Israel while you are pouring out your rage upon Jerusalem?” 9 So he said to me: “The error of the house of Israel and Judah is very, very great, and the land is filled with bloodshed and the city is full of crookedness; for they have said, ‘Jehovah has left the land, and Jehovah is not seeing.’ 10 And as for me also, my eye will not feel sorry, neither shall I show compassion. Their way I shall certainly bring upon their own head.”

    God = killer of his representatives since his other representatives mislead them into disobeying? YES

    (1 Kings 13:18-24) . . .At this he said to him: “I too am a prophet like you, and an angel himself spoke to me by the word of Jehovah, saying, ‘Have him come back with you to your house that he may eat bread and drink water.’” (He deceived him.) 19 So he went back with him that he might eat bread in his house and drink water. 20 And it came about, while they were sitting at the table, that the word of Jehovah came to the prophet that had brought him back; 21 and he began to call out to the man of the [true] God that had come out of Judah, saying: “This is what Jehovah has said, ‘For the reason that you rebelled against the order of Jehovah and did not keep the commandment with which Jehovah your God commanded you, 22 but you went back that you might eat bread and drink water in the place about which he spoke to you: “Do not eat bread or drink water,” your dead body will not come into the burial place of your forefathers.’” 23 And it came about after his eating bread and after his drinking that he at once saddled for him the ass, that is, for the prophet whom he had brought back. 24 And he got on his way. Later a lion found him on the road and put him to death, and his dead body came to be thrown onto the road.. . .

    I charge Yahweh, the Bible God, of violence and bloodshed and crimes against humanity.

    I cannot, in good conscience, have anything to do with such a bloody idiot. Maybe he doesn't respond to me and oomps because some other god killed him since Yahweh was just a bit too much...

    A@G

  • oompa
    oompa
    undercover: Simply stated: Man invented God in his own image

    OMG...that is just priceless you wicked pagan.......

    and geeze a@G and Jeremy C...are you guys trying to undo all the sincere effort abbagail put in? Just kidding, there is room on JWD for both sides and she and others here did give some new things to think about.............oompa

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    Jeez,

    What god lovers. No circular reasoning today?

    God is merciless and blood-thirsty. Many of his follwers are too. They can hardly wait for a supposed armageddon and see millions of people die. They are the most pathetic people on the planet.

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    Jeez,

    What god lovers. No circular reasoning today?

    God is merciless and blood-thirsty. Many of his follwers are too. They can hardly wait for a supposed armageddon and see millions of people die. They are the most pathetic people on the planet.

    This God lover does not feel that way at all. It is one of the many reasons I left Christianity. I choose life and suggest that other "God Lovers" do the same.

    Cheers.

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