Ok then...just dont say ****** and Obama....
I read that book once...and have read passages qouted by others often.
Worth a read for all youngsters who are enthralled by charismatic leadership styles.
~Jeff
Why The Hoopla Over Rick Warren's Selection
by snowbird 40 Replies latest social current
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JeffT
They all get along pretty good, contrary to what the JWs think. In fact, if you went to Rick's church, you would feel quite welcome and not be forced to accept any agenda. If you haven't attended a church like Saddleback, try it before you cop an attitude. :-0
Spot on! My wife and I attend an independent church and the attitudes here are nothing like what we heard about Christendom at the KH. The biggest differences between denominations are not doctrinal, they are about church government and worship style. Most churchgoers have a simple method for picking their church: is it close to home and do we like the people/service? Most places there is nothing like the pressure to conform that exists among JW's.
I have to admit, Obama is making some shrewd choices in all of this. His cabinet is shaping up to be a middle of the road group, he's reached out to the Clintons (I can't help thinking that this may be a matter of putting the most dangerous snake where you can keep an eye on it). And picking Warren for a purely ceremonial function is a signal that he's willing to talk to the other side.
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beksbks
Because Atheists and White Liberals saw Obama's election as a slam dunk against religion, only to find out that they have traded one preacher for another, with similar values at that !!
JG, you've said some pretty ...................."funny" things in your time, but this is one of the "funniest".
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hillbilly
Beks... even I will tell ya that Junction is "half a bubble" off... but after the Wright deal and the "cling to god and guns" posturing in PA... Dave is right....lotsa folks see it as trading one preacher for the other.
The "left" that was conned into backing Obama will provide the hardest push-back. The "right" that opposed him will be a hard sell. Obamas only course now is to somehow form a 'balanced charge" and polarize neither fringe and fortify the middle.
Barry-O is a smart guy... maybe he will learn that all sides can not be played to the middle. Some one is gonna get the sh*tty end of the stick...
Hill
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beksbks
I posted a thread about this subject myself. Why? Because I've been called everything from an Obamabot, to a zombie, merely because I voted for the man. Guess what? Couple of right wingers slammed me for voicing my departure with Obama on the subject. So as they say "damned if you do damned if you don't". It just proved to me what I knew all along.
Now as far as the subject goes, Obama did not support gay marriage, none of the top candidates did. He did support civil unions, and oppose prop 8. I personally think it was bad timing at the least to invite a speaker who has had such inflammatory things to say about the GL community. Do I understand that Obama is following through on his promise of reaching across the aisle? Of course! I am also aware that Warren's economic opinions are to the left, giving them common ground. I find it humorous that the hard right is actually angry with Warren for accepting!!!
I suspected all along that too many people swept up in the excitement weren't paying attention to what he actually said.
I agree completely. I think that goes for those who supported him, as well as those who opposed. My goodness, the man's favorite book was "Team of Rivals"! It's pretty clear that he's somewhat idealistic, and certainly determined to try to pull everyone together. I applaud him for it. I can disagree with some of his positions and still support him overall. This appears to be an alien thought to the Right.
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Jeremy C
I do not understand why an Inaugural Invocation is of any earth-shattering importance. People are responding as if Obama has appointed the man to a newly formed cabinet position. It's just a silly Invocation for Pete's sake. This would be similar to Billy Graham making an appearance at the Indy 500 and announcing "Gentleman, start your engines". What is the big deal?
People all too often confuse symbolism with substance. People get caught up in the trivialities like who wore a flag lapel and who didn't. What color of tie did the President wear during his State of the Union Address; and what does it mean. Is Hillary Clinton really a Yankee fan or not. Who cares?
All of this hand-wringing over ceremonial pomp and symbolism is quite trite, and boring. Maybe Obama just wanted to choose someone with a somewhat broad appeal. Why must a pastor have to jump through some rigid ideological litmus test just to give a damned Invocation? I voted for Obama, and I don't have any issue with this. I also disagree with most of Rick Warren's views, but that does not make him into some devilish character, in my book.
Before people get their panties in a wad over Rick Warren, let's not forget many of the views and statements made by Obama's own pastor Jeremiah Wright.
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SixofNine
Because He ***s Women, "I Have Fewer Broken Hearts. I Have Less STDs"
Really, Barack Obama? You really want Tubby the Preacher from the incredibly homoerotic-sounding Saddleback Church to give the invocation at your inauguration? Sure, yeah, he caught hell from evangelicals for allowing you in his church, but that doesn't mean you have to return the favor.
For your Friday reading fun, here's Tubby the Preacher on Larry King Live (But Just Barely) on December 2, 2005, in all his eclair cream-sucking glory, explaining why homosexuals are not right. Warning: it's a long conversation that involves genitalia, bananas, King's daughter, and peanut butter (really):
TUBBY: Now people ask me all the time what do you think about homosexuality, OK? Well, I don't approach it -- I approach it like this. When you look at a female body and you look at a male body it seems that naturally certain parts go together.
KING: It seems that way, therefore how do you explain why someone is homosexual?
TUBBY: I don't explain it. I don't explain it.
KING: Well, then that doesn't suffice.
TUBBY: Well, and...
KING: Do you know why women, why you like women, just because the body is shaped differently?
TUBBY: Oh, no, I'm sure I know why I like women.
KING: You do?
TUBBY: I think -- I think I was wired by God to like women. I think they...
KING: So, what did he do to the gay person, God?
TUBBY: I don't know that God did that. I really don't.
KING: You mean he did it to you but he didn't do it to them?
TUBBY: You know, Larry, we all have instincts and we all have urges and we all have desires. That doesn't necessarily mean that I fulfill all of them. In other words, as a heterosexual man I might desire to have sex with 100 women. That doesn't mean I do it because that wouldn't be the right thing.
KING: All right, but if you desire another man and you're a man and you're an adult, who are you harming if the two of you agree and it's your life?
TUBBY: Yes.
KING: It's not Rick Warren's life or Larry King's life. It's their life.
TUBBY: Well, again, I would just say I think to me the issue is, is it natural? Is it the natural thing? I mean here's an interesting thing I have to ask. How can you believe in Darwin's theory of evolution and homosexuality at the same time? Now think about this.
If Darwin was right, which is survival of the fittest then homosexuality would be a recessive gene because it doesn't reproduce and you would think that over thousands of years that homosexuality would work itself out of the gene pool.
KING: So, we take the reverse. The creator then approves of it.
TUBBY: Well, I believe...
KING: Darwin's wrong. The creator is right. Gays are right.
TUBBY: Yes well, of course, I believe that God created one man for one woman for life. A lot of the problems -- as a pastor I've notice that when God gives certain rules they're really for our benefit. They're not because God's capricious or just "I think that I'm going to make your life miserable."
I think they're always for our benefit and when I do certain things God's way I have fewer broken hearts. I have less STDs. I have -- and I'm not just talking about sex. I'm talking about if I followed God's will about the right things about eating, I wouldn't be fat and overweight. I wouldn't, you know, and I -- people say well there are lots of sins. Of course there are. And to me the greatest sin is pride. The Bible tells us that pride is what Satan got kicked out of heaven and so we're all in the same boat.
KING: All right. You used the word natural.
TUBBY: Yes.
KING: Define it. For example, is it natural to like bananas? I like them. You may not.
TUBBY: Yes.
KING: Peanut butter, I love peanut butter. I know, I had a daughter, my daughter Chaia never liked peanut butter. Is that natural?
TUBBY: No, I think the difference is do you like food or not, not what flavor of food because you can't live without food. Now you can live without sex. It's possible. Lots of people do. So, I wouldn't even put it in the same category. A lot of people live without sex. It's not an essential for life.
And...scene.
There you go. Tubby used secular ideas of Darwinism to defend homophobia and then said that sex is not "essential for life," which would be pretty much the opposite of what he just explained. Wonder what his parishioners would think of the use of the eeevil evolutionist. And, by the way, the Rude Pundit knows that, yes, penises fit in vaginas, but they also fit quite nicely in mouths and assholes. Oh, that God. You just don't know what he's up to. Unless, you know, you're Tubby the Preacher.
(By the way, the Rude Pundit's read Tubby's latest book, The Purpose of Christmas Pie. It's essentially a pamphlet stretched to book length where Tubby says we should have a birthday party for Jesus on Christmas. Poor Tubby. Anything to have an excuse for more pie.)
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Junction-Guy
Go Rick Warren !!
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beksbks
Six O you just cracked me up dude!!! Pie.
Rick kinda made me think about something there though
If Darwin was right, which is survival of the fittest then homosexuality would be a recessive gene because it doesn't reproduce and you would think that over thousands of years that homosexuality would work itself out of the gene pool.
If the world is becoming overpopulated (which it is) why wouldn't homosexuality become more prevalent in order to preserve the species? Better than war and pestilence to thin the population.
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hillbilly
Better than war and pestilence to thin the population.
silly girl...we are good at war and pestilence. If mankind went gay we would all die out. War and pestilence insures that the strongest me... the ones who dig foxholes fastest and duck the best will survive.
(there must be some emoticon-thingy for this statement)
Hill