deaden your body member(s)?...jw wifes answer...many jw questions too

by oompa 31 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • still_in74
    still_in74

    "I woudn`t take fractions," missing the point entirely ,that the fds class allows it

    EXACTLY!!!!! THANK YOU! - that is exactly it! I have talked about my "issues" with fractions and people tell me that I should just avoid blood all together if it bothers my conscience - AS IF THATS THE POINT!

    Why do so many do this? they say "I just cant imagine taking fractions so I'll put down no blood or fractions of any kind on my medical directive card" - BUT WHY DOES THIS NOT BOTHER THE CONSCIENCE OF THE FDS/GB???????

    GAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • oompa
  • oompa
    oompa

    LMAO!...i subconsciencely want to be outed i think........thanks for the text lance.....oompa

  • Awakened at Gilead
    Awakened at Gilead

    I'm glad you got it in time, LOL...

    Anyway, you can see how closeminded she is... "you want others to do your own research for you"... your point is that your research makes you realize that it's all BS, which is a conclusion she is not ready to accept.

    Hang in there man...

  • still_in74
    still_in74

    I have been thinking about some of your questions and something hit me over the head!!! You have the same access to research material as anyone else, why are you asking other people to do your research for you?

    Oompa, this may be a leading question. It is a typical "anti-apostate" tactic performed by JW's. A@G may even be able to testify to this. It is factual that bethels send out heavy-hitting elders to homes of apostates feigning ignorance to WTS policies and using "bible studies" as a means to plant doubt into the minds of the study conductors.

    This is one of the things they do. Elders & the Society will tell you to do the research and keep it to yourself. If you ask others to do the research alarm bells go off and they return the maieutic by asking why you dont just research the material yourself?

    Take this far enough and just reaching for an old WT will stop the conversation with "do you use the WT to prove your faith? To prove what you believe?" you will answer "No, I use the bible" to which they will respond: "then show me in the bible why I am wrong."

    They will not let you use the WT publications. If you insist on doing it the end result is your admission of apostasy and the studier will never talk to you again and your home is blacklisted. In your case, "Oompa is no longer a JW" followed by a local needs talk on apostasy and the dangers of independant thinking.

    Watch your step...

    Still........

  • steve2
    steve2

    The blood fractions issue is one of the biggest examples of the Watchtower's and the witnesses brazen hypocrisy!

    They would never ever donate blood, but leave to the witnesses' consciences whether to have or not have blood fractions which are derived from the blood of hundreds of willing donors.

  • Awakened at Gilead
    Awakened at Gilead

    Stil-in,

    The point JWs make is that the olnly acceptable research outcome for JWs is that the WTS is God's instrument. If you don't get that result, then your research must be flawed. Keep on reading the WT until it's drilled into your brain that the WT is right.

    JW research methodology:

    1. The WT is always right.

    2. If your research tells you that the WT is wrong, refer to #1.

    End of research.

  • undercover
    undercover

    As much as you want complete closure regarding this with Mrs. oompa, I'm sad to say that it ain't gonna happen. Not as fast or in the way you want, anyway.

    Until your wife is actually questioning things herself, she's not going to listen to your arguments or read your letters that question her belief in the Society as God's exclusive channel. Her short reply to all your points is evidence of that. She basically ignored everything you had to say on the matter.

    That's not to say your marriage is doomed. You may have to accept that she's going to continue to accept the Society as what they claim to be. The real issue at this point in time is to get her to accept that you no longer want to be associated with the Society or the congregation. Forget trying to convince her that the "truth" is wrong and convince her that you're going to be happier away from it. If you can get her to accept that you're done with the JWs, she can move ahead and not dwell on it either.

    On the flip side of that is that you're going to have to bend a little as well. You'll have to accept that she likes being a JW and you'll have to deal with it. You can still have a happy marriage despite the differences in belief in the JW lifestyle. It ain't easy, but it is possible and you do learn to be a little more tolerant of people with different beliefs and ideas.

    Counseling is the right step and I know that you've pursued it somewhat. I know some JWs are afraid of it, but if your wife is interested in keeping the marriage alive, she should want to get a neutral third party involved. You can both learn from it.

    No matter what happens, we're here for ya...and I'm not that far away either. When the weather breaks, we'll play golf or go riding.

  • still_in74
    still_in74

    Hi Lance, yes that is defintiley the methodology they employ.

    You are aware of what I am talking about though correct? I believe it was Jay Walter that was one of these bethel heavies that were sent out to perform this task - I believe he talks about it in an audio clip on Freeminds.org

    If you try to use the WT publications against the WT, then how do know what you believe? A - from the bible. - then show me in the bible what you believe and leave the WT out of it.

    By pressing the issue you will 'out' yourself as an apostate and you can no longer open the eyes of JW's in secret (ie: poison the minds of Jehovahs servants) - that is the point of this tactic.

  • Awakened at Gilead
    Awakened at Gilead
    you can no longer open the eyes of JW's in secret

    I openly open the minds of JWs... you would be surprised how many JWs watch my YouTube vids...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5fqZ2_LzGE

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