"The Elders"

by minimus 44 Replies latest jw friends

  • fokyc
    fokyc

    Reniaa, When you address me as 'hun', do you mean 'Honey' or 'Attilla the Hun'?

    When I use the term lying, I mean lying, big time, they deny several well known Biblical principals, which are written as instructions to elders by the WTBTS on the jw-media website specifically to deal with a situation. They have lied to the Branch office about quite a few things, this is behaviour which is totally unacceptable.

    KAYTEE, Your question "These glorious ones cant be that bad surely!!!!!!!" is self evident in the email I have sent you this morning, you do know exactly what these elders have done and are capable of doing.

    Unfortunately for the time being I am totally unable to say much more on this forum.

    fokyc

  • poppers
    poppers

    Reniaa, are you still tired? I ask because your sentence structure is so bad it makes reading your posts a chore. The use of punctuation will do much for making yourself clear to others, but don't expect that to change anybody's mind about your points.

  • minimus
    minimus

    The elders are so powerful at this point that they (the GB) have created a monster.

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff
    hi all time jeff you say fair comment but you focus in on imperfection, I buy into the first statement like you do, and you say yourself we can make it that way with a set of good elders this is what is taught and this is what people want! Isn't that what we will get? If all are taught this?

    I think you said it all. It isn't a focus on imperfection. For example, many organizations have rules. You must enforce your own standards. Their can be no favoritism for those used as an example.

    And yet, this is what happens frequently. The reason why "imperfections" rule is precisely because "holy spirit" is not at work, because from the top down, starting with the Governing Body, there are lies and hypocrisy that have already been verified and documented. Who knows what we don't know. Suffice to say, if Jehovah is as exacting as they teach, then the GB has much to be concerned about.

    hi all time jeff, I agree with you theory is not practical application but then if it is human imperfection that is causing the failing of the practical isn't that going to condemn all religions? if that is our measure? (italics mine)

    Out of the mouths of babes.....

    It is a failing of all religions that they are all about their own hiearchy and organization, first and foremost. If you, the lay worshipper happen to benefit, that is secondary to the organizations own needs and survival. What condemns all religions is really the superstitious nature of their claims: That they represent god as a spokesmen/messenger, That they have authority over their members, That they alone represent the one true path to god, all of which is unproveable.

    It's their own actions that condemn organized religion. JW's are just one of many groups who make a lot of noise, but cannot back up one thing they say.

    That isn't a focus on imperfection. That is a focus on facts and truth.

  • fokyc
    fokyc
    Minimus said, "The elders are so powerful at this point that they (the GB) have created a monster."

    How true! AND many are totally out of control.

    fokyc

  • minimus
    minimus

    They are getting to be just like they were in 1980 right after the Ray Franz dismissal. Same exact actions. We have to protect ourselves from ANY bad influence. Now elders will be examining EVERYTHING!

    I'm soooooooooooooo glad I'm out!!!

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    At the time I was having a problem, I don't even remember what it was. I was living in another state and My best GF's husband was and elder (PO). So, she asks if I want to talk to him about the problem. We talked and I suggested that I talk to the elders in my congo. He says to me....... You don't ever want to get the elders in your business.

    And I never forgot it.

    purps

  • minimus
    minimus

    wise man

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    He is out now, his wife says he is apostate.

  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free

    I had problems with the elders from day one. Perhaps they thought I should have more respect for them. I never showed them disrespect unless they asked for it. I view all people as equals, and I don't give a damn for "titles". I won't kiss anyone's ass just because they are an elder, overseer, officer, or senator. That means nothing to me. If the elders counseled me about something that had nothing to do with the bible or christian living, I'd ignore the counsel. If they pushed too far I'd hand them a bible and say, "This is everything, you are nothing. You have two options. Show me from here, or shut up." It never went further than that. Needless to say, they never made me a MS.

    W

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