The CENSUS is Coming!

by cameo-d 27 Replies latest jw friends

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    Have you ever participated in the national census?

    What kind of questions do they ask?

    What changes in questions do you think we'll be in for this time?

    When does it officially start?

    What happens if you refuse to participate?

    How long do you think it will take for them to accomplish the work?

    Having been a JW in field work.....if, hypothetically....all JWs were recruited to conduct the census, and knowing what you know about how territories are divided up, and the number of kingdom halls within an area to get the job done....

    If they all started at the same day, how long would it take if they worked 12 hour days to completion of their areas?

  • SnakesInTheTower
    SnakesInTheTower

    I was an enumerator (census taker) back in the Census 2000 count.

    The Census will send out a form to every household. In years past every 6 households would get the nosy "Long Form." Everyone else would get the "Short Form." You fill it out and mail it back..that's it. If you don't answer a certain percentage of questions on the Long Form (or all of them on the Short form)...or you put goofy answers on your form (ie, the man who put "Serial Killer" on his Long Form for "occupation," (question 28) then they send out an enumerator to get proper answers....or if you don't mail the form at all (or the Census loses it...nah that never happened ), then they send the Census workers out. (I got to go back and talk to Serial Killer guy....he gave me very little information...but did give me proper information on the absolute necessary information when I let him know it was a crime to lie on Census forms..for a lot of the rest of the information about his house, I went to public records for the info). Supposedly this information (at the individual level) is not released to anyone, not even other government agencies, for 80 years.... Even after 9/11 this is supposed to be the case....

    As to the kinds of questions.

    This is a link to the 2000 Census short form. It is just a half dozen questions that are asked for each person living in the household on April 1, 2000 (Census Day), even if different people are living there now.... you ask about where they were on 4/1.

    This is a link to the 2000 long form: There are 53 questions for the first person on the form (head of household) and 31 questions for each additional person.

    For 2010, they have started hiring...the first wave is to go and update every single address in the US. In the fall, they will start hiring/training for the spring 2010 census...

    Very interesting, the 2010 Census is going to be Short Formfor everyone. They did a dress rehearsal last year in 2 places.... More what the Constitution requires. That link is for the form they used.

    By the way, the Census Bureau, through the Department of Commerce, is taking surveys all year round, every year, not just every 10 years. All of the data you see on TV comes through that work.

    It was interesting work.... you have to turn a blind eye to illegal activity, illegal immigrants, etc. Federal prison if you leak info. (if I had seen child abuse I would have figured out a way to report it anon). It was interesting work. Haven't decided if I will do it again this time around.

    Snakes ()

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    The Dep't of commerce has wanted to census me this year. I did'nt fill it out.

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    "The Dep't of commerce has wanted to census me this year. I did'nt fill it out."

    Since Snakes says it is considered a "crime" to lie on the forms, is it a crime not to fill them out or return them?

    What's the penalty?

    Are there any questions regarding religious preference or political preference?

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    I believe there is a penalty. They have sent me the forms 2x. They can't prove I received them.

    BTS

  • SnakesInTheTower
    SnakesInTheTower

    BTS... they cant prove you recieved them and they cant prove you didnt mail them back. That's why Census takers are sent out. To get the hold outs. lol.... We pissed off a lot of people in East St. Louis in 2000....they all know it is important to answer the Census because it results in more government money for welfare, housing, etc.... they mailed them, census lost them, sent people out to re do it...then sent us out to verify....yeah..they werent happy with the Census in 2000.

    So there are monetary penalties for failing to reply ($100), lying on the form ($500), trying to change the outcome of a count ($1,000 and/or a year in jail)....

    Snakes ()

    TITLE 13 > CHAPTER 7 > SUBCHAPTER II > § 221

    § 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers

    (a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100. (b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500. (c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.

    § 222. Giving suggestions or information with intent to cause inaccurate enumeration of population

    Whoever, either directly or indirectly, offers or renders to any officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof engaged in making an enumeration of population under subchapter II, IV, or V of chapter 5 of this title, any suggestion, advice, information or assistance of any kind, with the intent or purpose of causing an inaccurate enumeration of population to be made, shall be fined not more than $1,000 or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

    § 224. Failure to answer questions affecting companies, businesses, religious bodies, and other organizations; false answers

    Whoever, being the owner, official, agent, person in charge, or assistant to the person in charge, of any company, business, institution, establishment, religious body, or organization of any nature whatsoever, neglects or refuses, when requested by the Secretary or other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof, to answer completely and correctly to the best of his knowledge all questions relating to his company, business, institution, establishment, religious body, or other organization, or to records or statistics in his official custody, contained on any census or other schedule or questionnaire prepared and submitted to him under the authority of this title, shall be fined not more than $500; and if he willfully gives a false answer to any such question, he shall be fined not more than $10,000. and sadly...if the church refuses to answer...no penalty....

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    " all questions relating to his company, business, institution, establishment, religious body, or other organization, or to records or statistics in his official custody, contained on any census or other schedule or questionnaire prepared and submitted to him under the authority of this title"

    Is there a different kind of census for businesses and religious institutions?

    Is the form for us peons of a different nature?

  • jaguarbass
    jaguarbass

    My wife did the cesus, filled out the questions about 4 months ago.

    A lady brought out a little book actually about 3 little books for her to answer.

    It took about 3 weeks.

    1 book each week.

    Thats what I remember seeing. I didnt fill it out she did.

    I dont know why she did it.

  • restrangled
    restrangled

    I was also an enumerator (census taker) in 2000.

    I was assigned to the long form ignorers for 6 months.....I was considered a high performer. Quite a job, but as an x-jw...had no problem going door to door. Of the hundreds obtained, only 2 absolutely refused to comply, and one of them was a life time post office worker. By law we were able to get questions answered by any one over 18. The guys son was home, over 18, he started answering questions and decided he had better call his dad. The Father whipped home, screaming, threatening, etc. the end of the interview.

    I don't think the census ever follows through with laws against any that don't comply.

    By the way, if you need a job....the census (Department of Commerce) pays great for a part time job.....check out census 2010. Just fill out all paperwork now, and you most likely will be hired.....as an exjw...we're all pretty good at this! All training, car expenses are covered.....You make your own hours, you are given a "territory" with addresses needing to be called on. I was paid $12.00 an hour for part time work 10 years ago. The sooner you apply the better.....How much easier could it be????????? Heres a link: http://2010.census.gov/2010censusjobs/

    r.

  • restrangled
    restrangled

    If you check my previous message and click on the link it will tell you how much they are paying where you live. Brooklyn NY starts at $18.75 an hour.....can you imagine what JW's could have earned through the years?!!!!

    r.

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