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The World Trade Center was never destroyed. It was a magic illusion created by the Illuminati using Knight Templar David Copperfield to make it happen. David prepared for this worldwide deception by practicing first on making elephants disappear, and then by making the Empire State Building disappear. The World Trade Center was moved and is now residing in an underground compound in Northern Colorado. This all happened at night so no one could witness it.
I swear I am not making this up.
Farkel
for farks sake...I don't believe you.....he he
" where the story breaks down and becomes illogical.
If the government wanted to engineer endless war in the Middle East, it makes much more sense to have a focused attack on one target, WTC, with explosives that no one would see and could be covered up in the wreakage cleanup.
And how did the government get the cooperation of al-Qaeda to take credit for the attack?" -Chris
I think Farkel is the one who needs to be doing the explaining here, but I'll take another quick shot at it. Remembe Chris your asking me to explain something that has never been proven in total, never been tried in any court and the way it looks probably may only be tried in the Court of Public Opinion, so that's like asking me to explian the motives in a murder case that's yet to be solved. When your trying to accomplish something BIG, something with mutiple goals, and influence the great mass of humanity you need to operate on a grand scale, I previously said Wars in the Middle East were not the only goal. But also symbolism was important your sending a message, as I believe they may have been sending a message with the assasination of JFK. What would be the message since I am not of the elite, the most powerful social class in the World, I can only go on what evidence there is, and guesswork. Let's say most Presidents are puppets and do what the most powerful one per cent of the world who control most things tell them to do. A statement that needs further proof I know, but humor me. Now you get an upstart President. one that comes from their Social Class doesn't do what he is told, one that knows their tricks, their secret societies, their games. He not only double crosses them by not doing what he is told he starts to try to break up their power structure. He threatens to break the CIA into pieces. His brother goes after the mafia and worst of all he passes a bill to to get rid of their biggest money making machine the Federal Reserve which isn't Federal it's private banks but print our money. Okay they privately decide, were gonna have to bump this guy off if were going to stay on top of the world. But wait, we could just stick a little poison in his soup but we also want to accomplish something else, we want to send a message to future Presidents and our Puppets in power all over the world, don't do what we say, end up like JFK. You see how powerful we are, we can whack this guy on main street in front of the whole world and then cover it up in the World's media which we control. Doesn't the mafia on a much smaller scale send little messages like that in the movies say a package of dead fish means Tony sleeps with the fishes to scare the other guys.
Which bring me to the Pentagon. What if they were sending a message through symbolisim, look how powerful we are, we can destroy America, we can destroy the economy as symbolized by the Trade Towers, and we can destroy the Military maybe even the Industrial Military estabilishment as symbolized by the Pentagon, these people aren't talking to us most of the time, were the dumbed down public, their sending messages to their own peer and competitors around the World. David Rockefeller said I want to destroy the United States of America, He and his family along with the Rothchilds and Royal Families of Europe control the majority ot the World's Wealth, these people are not idle chatterers.
How did the Government get Al Qaeda to help? Well remeber who Bin Laden was working for first, no it wasn't Walmart, it was us he was our boy in their war with Russia. And the Bin Laden family, good friends with Bush'es, small world isn't it. I mean Saudi Arabia allegedly, provided most of the hijakcers for the plane, did we go after them? Did even send them an angry note? Now on a day when the average American was told after 911 you can't fly today the Bin Laden's hopped on a plane and went home, you remember. And Bin Laden's never been caught he is not even on the FBI's most wanted list for the crime. Okay I am going to bed now. Maybe I will dream of Farkels, Alfred E. Neuman and the New World Order.
Why do my posts shrink like the above, what button am I hitting, I am not good on this sight.
What if they were sending a message through symbolisim, look how powerful we are, we can destroy America, we can destroy the economy as symbolized by the Trade Towers, and we can destroy the Military maybe even the Industrial Military estabilishment as symbolized by the Pentagon, these people aren't talking to us most of the time, were the dumbed down public, their sending messages to their own peer and competitors around the World
This sounds more like al-Qaeda than the Bilderbergers/Masons/Illumanati/Trilateral Commission.
RGB, I realize there isn't any proof, only speculation, but even in the JFK murder there was some proof. Granted the proof led to the wrong conclusion, but at least there was something (Oswald's connection to the CIA for example). Here -- nada. The best I've heard is what's been said numerous times and what you reference -- bin Laden's relatives flying out of America on 9/12.
As for sending a message -- okay for the sake of the discussion let's grandfather that one in. Although if you really wanted to send a message a small nuke would have done far more than blowing up the WTC and damaging the Pentagon. No fuss, no video, no left over clues to incriminate. But that's just me.
How did the Government get Al Qaeda to help?
Well I think the more appropriate question is why would al-Qaeda want to help? I can imagine all sorts of way rogue elements could entice a terrorist group to attack (money, arms, money, propaganda platform, money), but I can't see why al-Qaeda would cooperate in 2009 by keeping quiet on the conspiracy. That's not logical.
Let's say rogue elements tossed a spare billion their way, along with some weapons and bombs, etc. in 2000 or early 2001. Okay, I can suspend disbelief long enough to imagine it is possible they would go along with the attack, but afterward I think one of the first things they'd do is shout from the rootops Mr. So-and-So in the CIA paid me $X to bomb the WTC and here's the receipt. Or some substance of that.
That would be a propaganda boon the like of which Allah himself could not give them. That would completely take the wind out of the conspirators' sails, the American public would have been outraged. The least that would have been done is Bush and Cheney would have been impeached, at the other end I could see riots.
See al-Qaeda is the wild card in this narrative. It is completely unbelievable to believe "they" have any control over a bunch of religious fanatics. And why would the conspirators want to involve al-Qaeda? It throws a random wild card in that is beyond their control.
As for the software, I'm having trouble myself. I knew the old software inside out. This one, not so much.
Chris
The World Trade Center was never destroyed. It was a magic illusion created by the Illuminati using Knight Templar David Copperfield to make it happen. David prepared for this worldwide deception by practicing first on making elephants disappear, and then by making the Empire State Building disappear. The World Trade Center was moved and is now residing in an underground compound in Northern Colorado. This all happened at night so no one could witness it.
Doug you've got it wrong. It's really the Stonecutters. They're behind everything:
This sounds more like al-Qaeda than the Bilderbergers/Masons/Illumanati/Trilateral Commission. -Chris
Weeell, what if al-Qaeda really works for us, al-CIA duh, or at least the Bin Laden branch of it. Don't assume that the Bilderbergers/Masons/Illumati//Trilateral Commison/David Copperfield, (no kidding about Copperfield) are really on the side of USA, if were talking about Globalists they are loyal to social class, bloodlines, they use countries. Yes I am talking about World empire, the dream of dictators and control freaks from the begginning of time. According to Alex Jones there was an article in the London Financial Times where they said yes were bringing in Global Government, yes we have been hiding it from you...yes it's tyranny...but it's good for you.
Remember when Malcolm X said eventually the Chickens come home to roost. Well eventually what gets down in other countries in our name can eventually get turned around and used against us, such as perfected torture techniques, such as public survellience techniques and blasting different sound weapons into Iraq cities to disrupt their thinking process, psych warfare that can be used anywhere, all the money that was funneled into companies owned by Globalists, the terrible effect on the US economy the War has had, the wearing down of our military the war has caused, and yet Obama adds niew troops 30000 to Afghanistan, how many world empires crashed by overextending themselves. Maybe that was what he meant and is the carrying out of his design of "destroying the United States."
RGB, I realize there isn't any proof, only speculation, but even in the JFK murder there was some proof. Granted the proof led to the wrong conclusion, but at least there was something (Oswald's connection to the CIA for example). Here -- nada. The best I've heard is what's been said numerous times and what you reference -- bin Laden's relatives flying out of America on 9/12. -Chris
Chris let me turn this question around, if I am right what kind of proof do you think there should be? Presidents like Kennedy, Eisenhower, Reagan, all the way back to Lincold have warned of hidden groups with Globalists designs at taking your freedom. The 911 Commission admitted it was a flawed report and didn't even consider building seven, doesn't that kind of remind you of the Warren Commission. Remeber when Kennedy said we are opposed by our very nature to secret societies, secret oaths... ooops gotta go later.
Weeell, what if al-Qaeda really works for us, al-CIA duh, or at least the Bin Laden branch of it. Don't assume that the Bilderbergers/Masons/Illumati//Trilateral Commison/David Copperfield, (no kidding about Copperfield) are really on the side of USA, if were talking about Globalists they are loyal to social class, bloodlines, they use countries. Yes I am talking about World empire, the dream of dictators and control freaks from the begginning of time. According to Alex Jones there was an article in the London Financial Times where they said yes were bringing in Global Government, yes we have been hiding it from you...yes it's tyranny...but it's good for you.
Two problems with this paragraph -- (1) "what if". It's never a good sign if a response has "what if" has the hinge bridging two scenarios. No disrespect RGB, but I could play the "what if" game till the cows come home on dozens of topics. Quick aside -- the original SNL used to a semi-regular skit called "What If" and it was always some kid in Indiana writing in about bizarre What-Ifs. My favourite was, "What If Eleanor Roosevelt Could Fly"? The skit concluded she wouldn't have helped the U.S. in WWII because she lacked armor, wasn't aerodynamic and her scarf would have gotten in her way.
Anyway, my second problem is your referencing Alex Jones, who has as much credibility as David Icke.
See my feeling about folks who sell Conspiracy is that they have more of an agenda than the ones they rail against. Realize they are trying very hard to make money, gain notiriety, sell books, gain advertisers for their radio shows, etc. If they wrote a book, or came on the air and said, "Gee I've got 100% videotape evidence Oswald did it", or "I've been given a truckload of inconvertible proof 9/11 was the result of al-Qaeda terrorism" -- how many books would they sell? How much would their ratings for their shows fall? How much notiriety would they lose?
It's in their own self-interest to keep the conspiracy game going. They can, and do, make up the wildest, nonsensical ramblings and no one can call them on it. It creates its own industry with themselves being at the center. And at the end of the day, these guys have zero, zilch, nada proof whatsoever. It's all a big story, not very well told, with plot holes large enough to fly a 767 through.
I find them completely unbelievable, dishonest, narcissistic and maybe a little paranoid. If they want me to buy into what they say, I need a butt load of objective data. This is where I, and the average person, is regarding 9/11. It's not about being sheep or drinking kool-aid or any other buzz word showing one is part of a special collective with inside knowledge. It's about proving the hypothesis, backing up the assertion and answering all questions. Honestly the 9/11 conspiracy side just doesn't come close to doing it.
And with all due respect RGB, you still haven't provided a good, solid data-backed answer to this thread. This thread is pretty damning to the 9/11 conspiracy cause. If this were a murder trial, we've got the victim, we've got forensics, we've got mathematical data on free fall, we've got foresenic analysis on building collapse, we've got videotape of the planes striking each building, we've got the accuseds' admission they planned the event months in advance, and are indeed proud of the murder -- geez, this would be a slam dunk verdict. Not even Johnny Cochran could get them off!
Remember when Malcolm X said eventually the Chickens come home to roost. Well eventually what gets down in other countries in our name can eventually get turned around and used against us, such as perfected torture techniques, such as public survellience techniques and blasting different sound weapons into Iraq cities to disrupt their thinking process, psych warfare that can be used anywhere
The U.S. has been stunningly ignorant and downright stupid dealing with the Middle East. But they're not alone. Britain and France ignored T. E. Lawrence's advice (Lawrence of Arabia) when drawing up the countries' boundaries after WWI. He submitted to them a map based on tribal loyalties. They didn't look twice and carved up the Middle East according to their own self-interest. Interestingly, Lawrence's map (which among other things would have provided a separate country for the Kurds, and a separate state for Jews), even today, would go a long way toward solving thousands of years of conflict between people that just don't seem to have anything better to do than hate each other.
But the U.S. was woefully ignorant and refused to learn from others' mistakes. But that doesn't make the U.S. pawns of Globalists. It makes them stupidly beaucratic; much like other world powers before it.
As for what kind of proof I'd like. Well frankly about a few documents, maybe even just one, that indicates Globalists run the planet (similar to the hundreds of thousands of pages from the Nazi government confirming the Holocaust). Or maybe the sworn deposition or testimony of someone with intimate knowledge of the Globalists' plans and schemes (similar to Darfur; or the purges of Stalinist Russia). Globalists aren't perfect, they can't cover 100% of their tracks 100% of the time with 100% coverage and 0% leakage. Not possible. If "they" are ruling the world, there would, sooner or later, be some leak, or someone anonymously stepping forward before they're murdered (or whatever).
I need more than what-if, or Alex Jones/David Icke ramblings to sway me. Sorry but that's just me. I'm hard to convince. I really was born in Missouri.
Chris
'problems with this paragraph -- (1) "what if". It's never a good sign if a response has "what if" has the hinge bridging two scenarios. No disrespect RGB, but I could play the "what if" game till the cows come home on dozens of topics. Quick aside -- the original SNL used to a semi-regular skit called "What If...'Chris
Well I didn't exactly say Chris what would you like, I would like Brezenski and Rockefellers signature on a confession but that's not what I meant. I meant what evidence do you think would exit if the most powerful people on the planet and face it, who else could have pulled 911 off, if anybody else had done it they would have the Government come after them it could only have been the people who controlled the Government to get away with this one.
I use the phrase what if to cover my own butt, who knows who else could be reading this thread. If the Powers that be could pull of a JF 911 what do you think they could do to me, I have to choose my words carefully were not sitting in a Texas bar talking about this.
Dang is somebody getting stingy on the space I have to start a new box?
But the U.S. was woefully ignorant and refused to learn from others' mistakes. But that doesn't make the U.S. pawns of Globalists. It makes them stupidly beaucratic; much like other world powers before- Chris
You and Farkel seem to have had a good laugh at the mention of the Trilateral Commission the Buildibergers and the Masons, and the use of the term New World Order are you saying that you don't think those organizations exist, that we the people who believe in conspiricies or those who write about them just pulled all that out of a hat and somehow because we're all crazy like Fox News said or have a personality disorder like someone else suggested that that stuff isn't real? Go down to your local library and look for a book on the Trilateral Commission that's where I first found out about them back in the late 1970's when Alex Jones was probably sitting on his Daddy's knee. Read about all the influential people who cow tow to that organization. Read about some of the shitty things the elite want to do to the rest of us. I am grateful to the alternative media that they tell us things that the main stream media won't because they'd get fired, they were the only ones that told us that cigerette smoking causes cancer for decades the main stream media wouldn't because of advertising revenue so how many people died of cancer as a result.
Now the Buildiberger's (named after the hotel they first meet in, I know sounds like a McDonald's term) would be harder to find out about then those other organizations because the main stream media has not covered their meetings in the fifty years they have existed, even though Alex Jones has filmed them going into their meetings. CBS just recently admitted they exist but Bill Clinton admitted on camera he has been to one of their meetings in Europe, so Farkel tell that to David Copperfield.
Okay the connection proving 911 and pinning it on the Globalists is what's hardest for me but your trying to catch the people at the top, they control everything, but it's logical reasons I have stated and some of their own statements I haven't stated yet that I would use to connect them.
But first assuming it all happened the way the govenment said it did, which is like letting the criminal tell the story of what happened at the crime scene. but assuming it did just look at how they have used 911as the key to open the gate to their goals, as Barrack Obama's chief of staff Roehm Emmanuel said the government hates to waste a good crisis, and they didn't they passed the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act and violated Posse Comitatus and dammed near declared Martial Law all in the name of keeping you safe from terror, oh code Orange I guess we have to frisk the ladies at the airport. Big Brother was drueling down his chin after 911.
With all due respect to you when I mentioned Alex Jones in typical anti-conspircy fashion you went after the messenger and ignored the message, he said the 'London Financial Times' said that the Globalists have stated that they are bringing in Global Government. Hell, Obama was just in London talking about Global Currancney, and Global Banking Systems this as a result of the Financial Crisis created by Wall Steet Bankers none of this originates with the US voters. Congress isn't even given time to read the bills. The Globalists are calling the shots right now in our Government, and as I said before we went into Iraq and Afganistan without a declaration of War first from Congress, it's the UN organization pushing us, that's Globalism. Remember the Constitution says Congress is suppose to declare War first, well that hasn't happened since WWII. It's the Globalists pushing us. Roosevelt went into office promising to stay out of WWII but then did a 180 after Pearl Harbor, but I have read that we had the Japanese's Secret Codes already broken, so we knew their planes were coming, but our military was told to stand down. There was a little privately owned group kept out of the main stream media called the Council on Foreign Relations back then whispering in Roosevelt's ear prior to Pearl Harbor, I heard they said Mr. Rockefeller and his chums in Europe want you guys to get into this War. And so their puppet twisted around and jumped.
