Paradise Won't Be "Instant" (page 3)

cameo-d

cameo-d,

:There will be NO MARRIAGE in the new system. WT plainly states that people will be like "the angels" who have no need of "marrying or giving in marriage."

Jesus was only talking about the ones resurrected and so is the WT. The WT plainly states that those single persons and children who survive armageddon will marry and have children and fill the earth.

Farkel

They better leave me in the damn ground where I belong and leave me alone. If I come back I will be a hell raiser like you have never seen!

sir82

As to earth’s potential food production, a third of a hectare will actually provide much more than enough food for one person,

A-ha...so according to the Insight book, 100% of the earth's land mass will be devoted to food production for humans.

Um....

So what are the animals going to eat?

Where are they going to build the factories that produce the 1950's style polyester clothes that everyone will apparently wear? And the power plants to power such factories? And the mining operations to supply coal or gas or whatever for those power plants? And the factories to build the equipment to mine this coal / gas / whatever? And the...

Oh yeah - what about the 5000 square foot mansions that every family will have? That's gonna cut into your "1/3 hectare" as well.

Oh, I forgot - it takes about 4 seconds of meditation to come up with simple questions such as these - and the average JW's attention span is 3 seconds. Never mind.

truthsetsonefree

Actually it's amazing. When it comes to these topics they say speculation is wrong. But they speculate about every other damn thing! Sir82 is right though about instant healing of serious conditions. They point out that Jesus healed maimed people. If he did it back then he can do it in the "new order".

Isaac

moggy lover

The nightmare I used to have was that the "new system/order/world" [or whatever the latest nomenclature is] wasn't just going to be a tyranny, but that it was going to be a bureaucratic tyranny. Petty bureaucrats themselves, the current Watchtower leadership love the existence of files and chits, and memos all signed, counter-signed, filed, refiled, circulated, lost, found, refiled again, recirculated, discussed, categorized, in and endless and meaningless cycle and all sufficient to keep even the most abject clerk deliriously happy.

Remember that the "new system,etc" is going to be merely an extension of today's Watchtower arrangement. Hence, who you marry, where you live, how many children you can have, what job you will maintain, the clothes you will wear, will all be determined according to applications signed in triplicate, with several counter signatures, which will then have to be categorized, filed, discussed, processed, circulated, discussed with even more files and then, in the sufficiency of time they will slowly grind their way upward through the bureaucratic chain to be further discussed, added to with even more memos, addendums, riders, circumlocutions, till they reach the top where even further cogitations will be processed, appeals lodged, with sub-sections filled with relevant by-laws needing further clarification being sought, and on and on and on.

By the time an unequivocal decision is made, Satan will be let out of his restraints, making his alternative not so bad an idea after all.

It is not the meek, but the Watchtower bureaucrats who will inherit the earth, and swords won't be beaten into ploughshares, but into pens and reams and reams and reams of paper.

cameo-d

Sir82 is right though about instant healing of serious conditions.

But I bet it will be 'conditional' based on your 'standing' and pronouncement of your judgements. Some people may still be punished for infractions!

They point out that Jesus healed maimed people. If he did it back then he can do it in the "new order".

Jesus won't be here. You will have science. And you will have the Sons of Light, Sons of Judges, etc. (whatever fancy title they come up with to supercede the FDS) who will speak on behalf of Jesus.

blondie

*** w78 9/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***Further, we know that Jehovah is a God of order, kindness and mercy. That weighs against thinking that he will bring someone back to life missing a limb or being horribly disfigured by the terminal stages of a fatal disease. (Jas. 1:17; Luke 11:13) This does not require, though, that the individual come back ‘in the prime of life.’ If someone died of heart failure at 75 years of age, why could not God raise him with a comparable body, but with a heart that would continue to pump? Then as the healing power of Jehovah’s provisions, including the merit of Jesus’ sacrifice, were applied, the person could progress toward perfection.—Rev. 22:1, 2, 17.

*** lp chap. 15 pp. 171-172 par. 10 The End of Sickness and Death ***What about the members of this "great crowd" who have serious disabilities, such as heart disease, paralysis, blindness, loss of arms or legs, and so forth? It is reasonable to believe that they will receive early healing of these defects. When on earth, Jesus illustrated such healing. He instantly healed withered hands and arms, strengthened paralyzed limbs and restored sight to blind eyes. These body parts did not gradually grow back. (Luke 6:8-10; John 5:5-9) Likewise, the resurrected ones will logically come back with sound bodies. This was also true of all those whom the Scriptures report as being resurrected. (Luke 8:54, 55) Lazarus, for example, was partially decayed, but he came back from the grave with decayed parts renewed. (John 11:39-44) God made the following promise to his people whom he purposed to restore to their land in ancient times: "No resident will say: ‘I am sick.’ The people that are dwelling in the land will be those pardoned for their error." People will be able to do the normal things of life even though not perfect as yet.—Isaiah 33:24.

cameo-d

Petty bureaucrats themselves, the current Watchtower leadership love the existence of files and chits, and memos all signed, counter-signed, filed, refiled, circulated, lost, found, refiled again, recirculated, discussed, categorized, in and endless and meaningless cycle and all sufficient to keep even the most abject clerk deliriously happy.

Bartleby the Scrivener.

wobble

recent calculations as to the number of people who have ever lived put it at a figure of 106 Billion!!!!!!

where are the Dubs going to put them all? How will they feed them all?

Love

Wobble

cameo-d

w78 9/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***Further, we know that Jehovah is a God of order, kindness and mercy. That weighs against thinking that he will bring someone back to life missing a limb or being horribly disfigured by the terminal stages of a fatal disease. (Jas. 1:17; Luke 11:13)

This does not require, though, that the individual come back ‘in the prime of life.’If someone died of heart failure at 75 years of age, why could not God raise him with a comparable body, but with a heart that would continue to pump? Then as the healing power of Jehovah’s provisions, including the merit of Jesus’ sacrifice, were applied, the person could progress toward perfection.—Rev. 22:1, 2,

So, basically you die of heart failure at 75 and you come back with a decrepit body of a 75 year old but with a heart that functions. Can you say Zombie?

"Jehovah's provisions"...another GB of judges that decide whether you measure up and kiss ass.

If you are judged worthy by this panel of governors, endowed with the authority to speak for Jehovah, then maybe you will be allowed other medical considerations that may enhance your life as a Zombie. One thing at a time. Maybe a face lift on a 75 year old wrinkled, fragile boned body. What a grotesque trick that will be!

17.

*** lp chap. 15 pp. 171-172 par. 10 The End of Sickness and Death ***What about the members of this "great crowd" who have serious disabilities, such as heart disease, paralysis, blindness, loss of arms or legs, and so forth? It is reasonable to believe that they will receive early healing of these defects. When on earth, Jesus illustrated such healing. He instantly healed withered hands and arms, strengthened paralyzed limbs and restored sight to blind eyes.

These body parts did not gradually grow back. (Luke 6:8-10; John 5:5-9)

You can only work with what you've got. If you lost an eye...it's gone. You can't heal what's already gone. Another Genie trick!

Likewise, the resurrected ones will logically come back with sound bodies. This was also true of all those whom the Scriptures report as being resurrected. (Luke 8:54, 55) Lazarus, for example, was partially decayed, but he came back from the grave with decayed parts renewed. (John 11:39-44) God made the following promise to his people whom he purposed to restore to their land in ancient times: "No resident will say: ‘I am sick.’ The people that are dwelling in the land will be those

"No resident will say: ‘I am sick.’ No excuses not to be working on the Clean-Up crew. You might be in a 75 year old body, but you better do your share of the work if you want more perfection restored.

rebel8

But what age will they be? The same age as they were at Armageddon, or some 'ideal age'? I heard it would be 33 because that was the age of Jesus when he died!

I was definitely taught that, and something about Adam having been "born" at that age too. (Again, the teachings are not really universal.)

Am I mistaken or did they at some point suggest we might be resurrected into different bodies like Jesus was (so they say)? I remember wondering how weird it would be for the wife to see her dead husband alive again, inhabiting someone else's body [a la Twilight Zone], and having to sleep with a new body. (At the time I thought it would probably feel like adultery!)

Paradise Won't Be "Instant"

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