Estimating Our Influence

by metatron 16 Replies latest jw friends

  • metatron
    metatron

    In regard to a recent Watchtower article on shunning 'apostates', I wonder if we could create an estimate of our collective influence. Such as:

    How many active Witnesses secretly go to this site or others?

    More importantly, how many Witnesses pass along information that was revealed here?

    And finally, what happened to the Witness apologists who used to frequent these sites?

    It should be clear by now that we have severely and permanently compromised Watchtower secrecy. Frequently, if a change is to be made, you'll hear about it here first, ahead of its release to ordinary Witnesses. This shows that well-placed individuals aren't buying into everything the Governing Body is selling. Further, it suggests that, since such people usually leave the organization once they figure out a discreet exit, that the Governing Body has a problem with continuous defections, not unlike a totalitarian regime that is losing its grip. If information keeps spilling out while defectors leave, then you need a constant stream of new defectors.

    Even if Joe Witness is cowed into avoiding dissident websites such as this one, that doesn't limit "apostate" influence over him because others are passing information along via the "grapevine". How did the UN scandal get so widely known among Witnesses - and especially the prominent? Have you noticed how many elders seem to know more than what the Society is telling them?

    Where have the Watchtower apologists gone? They have abandoned the field or defected themselves. Goliath is taunting the front lines and cursing the Name while David has run away in shame. Funny how they run out of apologists while the stream of defectors never stops!

    The biggest threat to Watchtower control of information is the long practised and deeply ingrained "double lives" of Witnesses themselves. Given the huge amount of family breakdown that emerges like the visible part of an iceberg, it is reasonable to think that much more is beneath the surface. Going to an "apostate" website can easily equal the thrill of downloading porn for the first time.

    Beyond all the self-glorifying propaganda and questionable statistics, they know that something is very wrong with cash flow - and as the "bottom line", that bespeaks a greater disaffiliation in congregations than the plastic exterior of this organization would suggest.

    metatron

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  • ninja
    ninja

    good point about the apologists meta.......staffy duck has started his own version of dubdom now

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Good points metatron.

    I think much of the publicity about xJWs comes from the WT itself.

    When part of my family joined the organisation in the early 70s, "apostate" was only one of many adjectives for "Christendom". The idea of somebody accepting and then rejecting "the Truth" in the sense of not believing it anymore was practically unthinkable. Those who left the organisation could easily be explained away as giving into lust, greed, or "(moral) sin" in general. But (in JW imagination) they still knew it was the Truth.

    The omnipresence of (inner) "apostates" in WT literature since the early 80s created a real curiosity among JWs worldwide, at a time when it was extremely unlikely for most of them to get in touch with, or even hear about "apostates" personally. The exclusively defensive attitude of the WT in the Internet times only makes it worse...

  • the research lady
    the research lady

    The Watchtower organization is on the verge of a mass exodus! More and more active Jehovah's Witnesses are finding out what the Watchtower organization is hiding behind.People are leaving in droves, including their so-called apologists. Greg Stafford, who was a pretty sharp Witness who stood up for their teachings is now out of the Witnesses false organization . Just recently, a young Witness man named Brian, who on his You Tube channel was constantly defending the Witnesses , and was so eager to do so, has had a change of heart. He no longer believes the Watchtower doctrine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Enb0NZyBt8&feature=response_watch

  • reniaa
    reniaa

    Brian has become increasingly incoherent these days whatever happenned to him it hasn't been for the positive.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat
    Brian has become increasingly incoherent these days whatever happenned to him it hasn't been for the positive.

    Give it time. Such a big change is bound to floor anyone. Whether his conversion to faith in Jesus lasts who knows, but it is to be hoped that his break from a system that tries to control your thoughts is permanent.

  • dinah
    dinah
    Brian has become increasingly incoherent these days whatever happenned to him it hasn't been for the positive.

    You are working my LAST NERVE.

  • rolling rock
    rolling rock
    Brian has become increasingly incoherent these days whatever happenned to him it hasn't been for the positive.


    Hello, pot meet kettle. Tell me does it heart when all the stupid falls out of your mouth?

  • poppers
    poppers

    "Brian has become increasingly incoherent these days whatever happenned to him it hasn't been for the positive."

    Remove from your mind the stifling beliefs of JWs and he won't sound incoherent.

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