by Perry 50 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
yet fail to openly respond to challenges to your interpretation, it is not intellectually honest.
BTS,
You keep calling me dishonest as well as other names but fail to demonstrate anything of substance. I do notice that people do this when they have nothing to talk about. You have presented nothing even remotely similar to an opposing argument other than your mention of a vague correlation of mediator to shepherds. It was a correlation that I refuted.
You got something else?
And here I thought that the idea of proselytization was to make Christianity more appealing...to make people want to join.
Reading Perry's posts always makes me want to take a shower afterward.
sir82,
It is because you are in the spit zone. Back up a couple of feet and you won't get hit.
*sigh* where's that 'banging head against brick wall' smiley when you need it?!
I'll re-post what I wrote:
you know this double-talk you speak of Perry?
A short time thereafter when many in the general population again protested Moses' position, another fourteen thousand were consumed with a plague. They would all have died had not
Moses through Aaron, as God's exclusive mediator, "stood between the dead and the living; and the plague was stayed". Please read Numbers Ch. 16. A careful reading will reveal that
Korah, Dathan and Abiram were not so much opposed to Moses and Aaron as they were opposed to the exclusivity of Moses and Aaron:
Which one was theexclusive mediator then? Moses or Aaron?
You seem to have named both of them here - as opposed to previously stating that it was Moses only. Is that plain enough to understand and can I get an answer now please?
Sad Emo,
I'm sorry. I just assumed that everyone knew that God gave the Law to Moses on Mt. Sinai. So, that would make Moses the solitary mediator spoken of in the scripture I posted in response to your first question:
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3: 19
Moses through Aaron, as God's exclusive mediator, "stood between the dead and the living; and the plague was stayed". Please read Numbers Ch. 16. A careful reading will reveal that
Korah, Dathan and Abiram were not so much opposed to Moses and Aaron as they were opposed to the exclusivity of Moses and Aaron:
For clarity, I probably should not have mentioned Aaron in that last clause. Sorry if that clouded my point.
Aside from that, what do you think of my overall argument about the exclusivity of the Mediatorship of Jesus Christ?
I probably should not have mentioned Aaron in that last clause. Sorry if that clouded my point.
So where does Aaron come into the plot then? Why did you mention him? Was he helping Moses to fulfil his exclusive role?
I'm sorry I can't really answer your question properly until you answer mine above.
What did you think of my argument that Jesus was a liberal (possibly bordering on 'apostate'!) of his own time on earth?
So where does Aaron come into the plot then?
I think he used to hang around with Moses a lot.
Why did you mention him?
Because he was one of the many people mentioned in the story. I mentioned several names in my post.
Was he helping Moses to fulfil his exclusive role?
Of course not. It wouldn't be exclusive then.
Why are you so interested in Aaron?
What did you think of my argument that Jesus was a liberal (possibly bordering on 'apostate'!) of his own time on earth?
Well I didn't think much of it to be honest. Since Jesus was "God manifest in the flesh" he was the most fundamental teacher of all time. Everything he said was ultra orthodox, authentic, and original since he was the Source.
From Numbers 16:
But Moses and Aaron fell facedown and cried out, "O God, God of the spirits of all mankind, will you be angry with the entire assembly when only one man sins?"
Moses exclusive mediator here?
Then Moses said to Aaron, "Take your censer and put incense in it, along with fire from the altar, and hurry to the assembly to make atonement for them. Wrath has come out from the LORD; the plague has started." So Aaron did as Moses said, and ran into the midst of the assembly. The plague had already started among the people, but Aaron offered the incense and made atonement for them. He stood between the living and the dead, and the plague stopped.
This is the verse you referred to originally. So was Moses the exclusive mediator here - or did he have some assistance from Aaron? You say not - so what exactly was Aaron doing?
I could give you my own answer to this conundrum but I'd rather hear a coherent explanation from you first.
Since Jesus was "God manifest in the flesh" he was the most fundamental teacher of all time. Everything he said was ultra orthodox, authentic, and original since he was the Source.
And yet he taught that it was ok to break the Jewish laws - the laws which He Himself was supposed to have given? He taught of an afterlife - of which there was originally no idea in Jewish thought - which is why the fundamentalist Jews, the Saduccees, didn't believe in an afterlife....
Christianity was originally a Jewish sect. When and how did it become ok to break away from their 'roots' and go a completely different direction?
Could it be that 'the light kept getting brighter' during and after the exile, through Jesus' time and then on into the early church?! Those darned liberals introducing all these Greek ideas?!!
Or has the Bible been corrupted by man?
