The Fundamentals of God, Liberal Sensitivities and the Judgment of Sin

by Perry 50 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  BurnTheShips

  Perry, post away, but I am not denying the Catholic teaching on Mary. On the contrary. I will not deny My Lady, the Theotokos. But the Catholic teaching is that any graces that flow from her are granted through the blessed fruit of her womb, Jesus. So she does not usurp nor supplant her Son. On the contrary, she points us to him and tells us to "do whatever he says" as in the first miracle at Cana. Mary said "yes" to God, and through her the Saviour came into the world. Jesus recieved His divine nature from the Father, his human nature from Mary. God and human cooperated to bring Jesus into the world. All the generations shall call her "blessed".

  BTS
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  AllTimeJeff

  An agnostic, a fundie born again, and a Catholic walk into a bar......
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  BurnTheShips

  Doh! I am waiting for the punchline!

  BTS
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  AllTimeJeff

  I can't think of one right now, its too damn late!
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  restrangled

  I read the opening post, and came to the conslusion that the liberal and the fundie were basically the same.

  They both believe they are right.

  r.
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  BurnTheShips

  I read the opening post, and came to the conslusion that the liberal and the fundie were basically the same.

  They both believe they are right.

  I've yet to find someone believe they are wrong without changing their mind then end up eventually believeing they are right.

  BTS
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  John Doe

  Burns, I thought it was your bedtime???
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  AllTimeJeff

  I've yet to find someone believe they are wrong without changing their mind then end up eventually believeing they are right.

  My only "regret" with these discussions has been the effect of battling to a draw, because of our entrenched positions.....

  I feel these are more emotional debates then one based on evidence. But, the amount of evidence, and what is considered evidence, clearly is different from person to person.

  I hope that no hard feelings exist in any case....
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  Perry

  Perry, post away, but I am not denying the Catholic teaching on Mary. On the contrary. I will not deny My Lady

  God would never take that choice away from you BTS.

  Luke 14:

  26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.....For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

  31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.

  BTS, we are the king of our own lives with the "ten thousand" .....Jesus has the twenty thousand. Contrary to the Roman generals who only exacted a tax to prevent the legions from entering a city, Jesus' terms are "ALL OF IT". It is a total exchange....his life for ours.

  33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath , he cannot be my disciple.
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  AllTimeJeff

  While acknowledging that we all are disagreeing with some premise presented here, Perry, I think it totally fair to point out that many of your issues regarding these matters are a result of the interpretaion of the bible that you choose. Catholics, among other religions, have a different interpretation of the bible.

  In my view, there is no one superior interpretation of bible dogma over the other. Again, what speaks eloquently to this fact is the sheer number of different interpretations that essentially cancel each other out.

  It is best for each of us to make up our own minds. A certain amount of license can be given for that personal meaning. Ultimately, what we read and believe from the bible tells us more about the person then the bible. There are so many contradictions within the bible, as this very thread demonstrates, that anyone can pick and choose what they want to believe.

  Hellfire being one of them. Needing to be born again in the manner fundamentalists suggest is another. Believing Mary to be an intercessor/mediator is another.

  To judge others however, as this post does, takes the personal choice of interpretation and magnifies it a great deal out of proportion. To those who tend to be judgmental, this is not a surprise. As I have long maintained, I am sooooooo dead in the eyes of so many religions and dogma's, I have to ask, what makes Perry's dogmatic belief on how and why I am to be dead eternally any different from the other faiths that condemn me in the same manner?