Is Mr. Stafford,still (again) a Jehovah's witness or disfellowshipped?

by Koiné 26 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Tuesday
    Tuesday

    It looks to me the answer would be pretty simple, since he goes through and does far more research than the average rank and file elder does it would take alot of research to be able to disprove his position on anything. It seems he could easily defend any charge put before him biblically and they would not want to disfellowship someone for not believing what they believe even if it doesn't seem to be truth.

    Though I do wish they would try and Mr. Stafford would record them, the judicial committee meetings would be delightful to hear.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Man I need to stop making so many separate posts. Anyway...

    Maybe he has friends in high places , the alleged "apostates" embedded at Brooklyn.

    There was a rumour at one time he was somehow related to Albert Schroeder, but I am doubtful. I think a foreword to one of his editions indicated he sent his research to Brooklyn but has not had much response.

    Cetainly some of his research seems to have ended up in the Watchtower. Rather odd situation.

    I would be very interested to see any concrete examples of that, and a bit surprised actually. Watchtower literature has at times used material derived from independent apologists, notably Nelson Herle in the 1980s, but I am not aware that Stafford's material has been relied upon in the same way. They did take up his suggestion to drop the 1935 cut-off date for the anointed, but you could argue they were bound to do that anyway just because the time that has elapsed made the teaching untenable.

    Contrast that with Solomon Landers' findings concerning the Coptic translation of John 1:1 which the Watchtower magazine seems to have reproduced uncritically.

    I don't think Stafford was ever in favour with the Witness leadership. In many ways it was always clear he was a loose canon even before he started being critical of some Witness teachings.

    From the very beginning he called his site and publishing company "Elihu Books" for crying out loud. That should have been a bit of a clue. It seems clear to me that from early on he thought he had wise counsel to deliver to the older men in Brooklyn.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat
    It looks to me the answer would be pretty simple, since he goes through and does far more research than the average rank and file elder does it would take alot of research to be able to disprove his position on anything. It seems he could easily defend any charge put before him biblically and they would not want to disfellowship someone for not believing what they believe even if it doesn't seem to be truth.

    Since when have elders seen any need to disprove anyone's position before disfellowshipping them?

  • TheOldHippie
    TheOldHippie

    When he lived in Chicago, he was a ministerial servant in his congregation.

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt
    It seems he could easily defend any charge put before him biblically and they would not want to disfellowship someone for not believing what they believe even if it doesn't seem to be truth.

    That would make excellent sense in the real world.

    In the cult world, the Bible or Reality doesn't matter. LOYTALTY and UNIFORMITY at all costs, are what matter.

    If you do not believe ALL of the "unique teachings" of Jehovah's Witnesses, a Judicial Committee can DF you, if they so choose.

    -LWT

  • Tuesday
    Tuesday
    Since when have elders seen any need to disprove anyone's position before disfellowshipping them?

    They need to show them why they're wrong and why they're going to be disfellowshipping the person. If the person can defend their actions and show why they were right, things could just get overturned on appeal.

    I have heard of complete snow-jobs though so I mean it's possible they could just tell him why and not listen to anything he says afterwards.

  • wobble
    wobble

    I wonder what Oompa feels about Stafford's 1st Chapter of JWD 3 and his weak acceptance of the WT claim that the context demands that "Jehovah" is inserted many times in Revelation with no other reason than that is their exegesis.

    I for one feel he would serve Jah's Witnesses better if he would throw away his WT goggles and look at the scriptures anew. He has undoubted skills and education, but he has been mind-controlled for a long time like many of us,and that can as we all know,lead one to wrong conclusions.

    Love

    Wobble

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    Watchtower Lite?

  • villabolo
    villabolo

    "I have heard of complete snow-jobs though so I mean it's possible they could just tell him why and not listen to anything he says afterwards."

    I wasn't listened to in my JC or appeal. They made no attempt to show me why I was wrong. They just repeated the WTs' stock phrases. I believe my case is typical.

  • Piercingtheveil81
    Piercingtheveil81

    Villabolo, I agree. The elders didn't answer any of my questions either. In fact one told he didn't have to because he believed it was the truth. And whenever they had a question for me I gave them a biblical answer.

    In the end the elders where just quiet and asked me "So what do you want to do then!". I wish I could have recorded it.

    slimboyfat, are you really in Afghanistan?

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