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If Jesus had in some way earned a position to be God which i've heard people try this thought as you do despite it not being a trinitarian argument which has him Almighty God all the time, it still doesn' apply because Jesus in revelation is still saying he has a God who he called 'My God', so he hasn't risen to God position.
How do you ever expect to put up a half decent arguement against the Trinity when you don't even understand the most basic definition of it?
lol go on an correct me? which part have I got wrong?
Dang, this is a long thread. I'm gonna put my two cents worth in just so I can keep track of this thread through my profile. I watched this whole slew of videos last night. VERY LONG but Very interesting. I have a very tough time believing the bible is the real deal, so it was incredibly tough to follow each side of the arguments. I'm going to have to say that the gentleman claiming to be a TRUE Jehovahs Witness (it was cute how he kept doing that) had a much stronger argument. Thanks for posting! I've got a couple people whom I'm going to show this to...
It has been explained to you many times on this forum, but you are too busy preaching your message to stop and listen and understand what the doctrine you hate so much actually is.
Bible Jim states it. It is the subject of this thread.
I shouldn't have to repeat it.
Go to the Catholic Encyclopedia Online, look it up, read it, understand it.
You have to understand what the definition is or, like my father, you waste your time argueing against a strawman trinity that very few denominations teach.
It has been explained to you many times on this forum, but you are too busy preaching your message to stop and listen and understand what the doctrine you hate so much actually is.
Bible Jim states it. It is the subject of this thread.
I shouldn't have to repeat it.
Go to the Catholic Encyclopedia Online, look it up, read it, understand it.
You have to understand what the definition is or, like my father, you waste your time argueing against a strawman trinity that very few denominations teach
Reniaa, I have to agree with this point. The things you're arguing against is a very specific sort of trinity that Reasoning From the Scriptures teaches you to defend against, you're not discussing alot of issues that are raised and not defending against what most people believe regarding the trinity.
I'm not a trinitarian, or a unitarian I'm an atheist but I can see a straw man argument when I come across them.
black sheep trinity is 3 co-equal co-eternal 'who's' in one 'what'
my argument above was correct a Jesus thats earns the right to be God isn't allowed if he Already an eternal God by trinity doctrine what is wrong in that?
Also Jehovah never calls anyone 'My god' yet Jesus calls his father that Many times! trinity may have an oxymoron rhetoric to try and explain this by trying to say jesus is both co-equal and subordinate (although this may only apply while he was on earth according to them) but my point was that only someone not part of God would call him 'My god' hense why Jehovah nevers says this because HE IS GOD.
Your doing the strawman by saying I am getting trinity wrong but not specifying which bit in my argument, I accept that trinity rhetoric involves so many oxymorons to try and explain many contradictions that there is some confusion like how a Jesus-God can die yet the bible says God can't Die becasue he's eternal but thats the fault of a man-made doctrine not my words.
Ren my dear, do you understand the difference between modalism and ontological equality? Do you know what functional subordination is?
Your doing the strawman by saying I am getting trinity wrong but not specifying which bit in my argument, I accept that trinity rhetoric involves so many oxymorons to try and explain many contradictions that there is some confusion like how a Jesus-God can die yet the bible says God can't Die becasue he's eternal but thats the fault of a man-made doctrine not my words.
That's not what a straw man argument is. Do you know what a straw man logical fallacy is Reniaa?
never calls anyone 'My god' yet Jesus calls his father that Many times! trinity may have an oxymoron rhetoric to try and explain this by trying to say jesus is both co-equal and subordinate (although this may only apply while he was on earth according to them) but my point was that only someone not part of God would call him 'My god' hense why Jehovah nevers says this because HE IS GOD.
My reply: This shows your inability to think things thru Reniaa. Adam was a head (of Eve)...yet he had a head (God). How many heads were there? One. They operated (until their sin) as one flesh with perfect unity and communication. Jesus is God, yet has a God- his father. Together they operate as one spiritual flesh in perfect unity.
Your doing the strawman by saying I am getting trinity wrong but not specifying which bit in my argument, I accept that trinity rhetoric involves so many oxymorons to try and explain many contradictions that there is some confusion like how a Jesus-God can die yet the bible says God can't Die becasue he's eternal but thats the fault of a man-made doctrine not my words.
My reply: No Reniaa....your confusion is caused by your misunderstanding of what the trinity is.
Ren,
What you are having trouble grasping is that you're thinking of God in 3 dimentional terms.
Let me ask you this question and I have asked it before, you seemed to have ignored it.
Can you limit the ability of what God can and cannot do?
Yiz
