by leavingwt 30 Replies latest jw friends
PSacra,
Why should a god as loving as you are saying he is even care whether we believe in him? What's the big deal in this so that god's blessing come to that one and not the unbeliever? Why would a being as full of love for the whole human race make that a issue? Why not just bless everyone regardless of thier belief him or some other deity?
Guys our personal opinions are fine but just not biblical so ultimately not true compared to the bible warnings.
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," [a] and again, "The Lord will judge his people." [b] 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
39 But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.
Reniaa
Frankie,
I do believe that God does indeed bless us all, regardless if we believe in God, we are all his children, but we must receive that grace to feel it ( for lack of a better word), his love and grace are gifts to us and we don't deserve them, so wether we beleive or not is not the condition of grace, but to feel Gods love and grace we muct accept and receive this gift and for that, we must KNOW God.
Reniaa,
Your post was kind of irrelevant to the thread, that passage refers to sinners that deliberatly keep on sinning after knowing God, this is about those who have YET to know God, hende they reject God.
I was thinking can anyone really say that? now that we have all corners of the world interconnected? Isn't that the point of the preaching work? And the bible is still the most widespread book ever.
Reniaa
I will answer this question this way- the nonbeleiver is at fault....not because of those irrelevant Hebrews verses quoted above...not because of some so called preaching work by the JW, or even the spreading of the true Gospel that many Christians do. But unbeleivers, beleivers, whoever are all on the hook because they deserve it. We all deserve Divine punishment because we have all sinned. It is by accepting Jesus grace we are saved...those who are destroyed (and I do not beleive billions will be destroyed as the org says, but Rev shows those who are directly fighting against Jesus at his return are those to be destroyed) are not destroyed because they didn't hear the Gosepl...those who are destroyed are so because they have fallen short...as we all have....exactly how it plays out remains to be seen
Reniaa,
People that reject God, that don't beleive in ANY God, tend to think that way because they have:
"Escaped from a cult".
Find no logic in "a god".
Don't see the point.
Have been taught/concluded that God is NOT worth knowing based on his portrayal in the Bible
Or a few other reasons that I can't think of right now.
None of them have KNOWN God for one reason or another.
add to my previous comment:
I am in no way saying that all who do not beleive will be destroyed- I beleive the person you are inside will go a long way. My view of that kind of person is in Luke 12 (I think) of the person who did not understand his master's will, and while doing many things worthy of stripes will receive few.
I beleive the person you are inside will go a long way.
Whew! Glad to hear it. There is hope for those 1 billion Muslims, 1 billion Chinese and 1 billion Indians.
"Nonbelievers" aren't all of one type. "Fault" doesn't have just one root. "Rejecting" is not for only one reason. "God" is not only applied to the Bible's "only true God". The answer, thus, to the question Is the Nonbeliever at Fault fo Rejecting God? thus depends on the context of the question.
There is a reason that Jesus and God will be the Judges and not any mortal, they KNOW those that believe and those that don't and, more importantly, they know WHY they do or don't.
No one here can say who will or will not be saved, none are qualified except for Jesus and God.
Will Ghandi be saved? His faith in God was unwavering, but he was not a Christian.
Mother Teresa was a devot Christian, but as we learned after her death in her letters to her confessor, she had doubts and felt very alone.
We are not qualified to decide or judge anyone in regards to almost anyting, much less salvation.
