Are we in Jesus's Reign? (page 2)

607BCisAbigLIE

To say that 1914 is the date at which Jesus sat on the sacro-saint Throne in heaven, one must admit, in accordance with the WTS teachings (or misteachings, if you like ), that the destruction of Jerusalem's Temple and all of its suroundings has occured on the infamous date 607 B.C., which has no evidence at all in history. The real date for that event is, according to serious history research, 587-586 B.C. (I gess a lot of people here already knew). If you apply the way the WTS do the 2520 (which is an obviuosly arbitrary interpretation of Daniel 4:10-17,20-26, see for yourself).
Another evidence is that historical research as set up the date of the begining of the reign of Nebucadnezzar (sorry no time to check the orthograph ) on 605 B.C. So how could it be possible for him to destroy Jerusalem in 607 when it is said to had happen on the 19th year of his reign, which is approximately on 587-586 B.C.? By the way, the Bible still stay accurate on chronology on events depicted in it. That is hypocrites like WTS GB that deforms reality with distorted interpretations. But don't take what i say in my post for granted. Go and see for yourself.

607BCisAbigLIE

Sorry for the missing part is this sentence lol
If you apply the way the WTS do the 2520 (which is an obviuosly arbitrary interpretation of Daniel 4:10-17,20-26, see for yourself).

The rest of should have been: calculated by the GB you now land on 1934!!! So all their castle is crumbling down and we have no true reasons to believe in their crap anymore .

607BCisAbigLIE

oh, by the way, maybe their next 'new light' should go like this:

"In accordance to new discovery(???) we now can estate for sure that the date of the second coming of the Lord should be 1934 instead of 1914. But what happened on that date that should be significant? Nothing may you say. That is not completely true. That is one year before the manifestation of the Great Crowd, don't you remember, you servants, cowards, blindmen [8>]? so blablablablabla" (with the usual crap that should follow, biblical references

Don't be surpised if that happens, because that happens all the time !!!!!!
I hope you take this post for a satiric message and not to be preached lollllllllllll

ISP

The WTS idea of JC's reign is kinda insulting. Jesus comes in 1914 and yet is some wierd impotent 'ruler'. What does he do? Like day after day? He may as well not come until he is ready to do something!

ISP

ballistic

my flat mate just saw me looking at this thread and I had to explain 1914 to him. He just laughed.

ozziepost

The WTS teaches that in the marked year of 1914 Jesus took up his throne, as has been correctly pointed out.

What did he do with this rulership? According to the WTS he started to clean up heaven by fighting against Satan and the demons and casting them out of heaven, down to the earth which is why we're in the mess we are (according to the WTS).

There's MANY problems with this:

Firstly, how come Satan started WWI BEFORE he'd been cast out of heaven?

Secondly, how come Jesus had said that "all authority has been given me in heaven and on earth" IN THE FIRST CENTURY?

Thirdly, how come humankind had to suffer while Jesus stood back just observing, when he had promised (in Matthew 28:19,20) that he would be with his people right to the end?

Need I continue? Although the WTS is so assertive about their teachings, in reality, there's too much that just doesn't fit.

Cheers,
Ozzie

"It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."

Anonymous

You Know

In the minds of our apostate enemies it is either all or nothing. That is to say: Satan would have the incredulous mind believe that if certain aspects of our teaching are in error then that means that we are not Jehovah's people. Obviously that is the conclusion that many of you have jumped to. And of course it suits Jehovah's purpose to allow an operation of error to go forth to his people in order to test their hearts. Basically, what I have observed among apostate Dubs, is that most of them either go out of their way looking for something to sieze upon as a pretext for excusing themselves from their dedication to Jehovah, or when confronted with perplexing issues they are stumbled. No doubt, going forward, all Witnesses will eventually have to deal with inconsistencies that will become glaringly obvious.

In the first century the apostles were confronted with realities that didn't line up with their own interpretation of prophecies. But, eventually, after a humiliating and confusing period following Christ's arrest and execution, Jesus fully opened up their minds to grasp the things that had been impossible for them to understand before. Presently Jehovah's people imagine themselves to be fully enlightened as regards Jehovah's purpose. But, the Scriptures point out that Jehovah has a vast body of prophetic truth kept on reserve until the final phase begins. What this means is that just as God concealed vital truths about Jesus' death from his apostles, he has likewise seen fit to conceal the full truth from his people until such time as he sees fit to bring about the Apocolypse, which of course literally means "The Unvieling." So, in the interim, we are saddled with numerous interpretations that don't line up with reality. Apparently, when once the Unvieling occurs, it will be after Jehovah's angels purge the organization of lawless and faithless individuals.

So, while apostates are presently being used by the demons to point out various inconsistencies in order to stumble as many as possible, they have no clue as to how such inconsistencies may be reconciled to the prophecies at hand. Personally, having a glimpse into such matters, as to how they will ultimately be resolved, I can only marvel at the masterful way that Jehovah God has handled, and will handle, the whole affair. In the end, will it really matter if Christ's parousia did not initiate his rulership as we imagine? I will let you argue that issue with the King when he arrives for the judgment, provided you are not rendered speechless by the encounter.

/ You Know

AGuest

Hmmmmm....

"All scripture is inspired and beneficial... for setting matters straight."

"In that it is impossible for God to lie."

"When that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, that one shall lead you into all truth, for he will not speak what is his own, but will speak what is mine."

Yes, You Know? And yet, you say:

So, while apostates are presently being used by the demons to point out various inconsistencies in order to stumble as many as possible, they have no clue as to how such inconsistencies may be reconciled to the prophecies at hand.

First, I must warn you, by the spirit of my Father, the Holy One of Israel, JAH OF ARMIES, that is in me, holy spirit, by means of His Son and Christ, my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, you again blaspheme. How so? IF there are inconsistencies, as you have here stated, AND they are being 'pointed out'... how can it be so BY DEMONS? How can 'apostates', who supposedly have given themselves OVER to demons, be used BY demons, to point out 'inconsistencies' in what is SUPPOSED to be TRUTH... according to you? What 'power' has been granted to DEMONS to point out inconsistencies in what is SUPPOSED to be 'beneficial for teaching... and setting things straight." As my Master asked YOUR forefathers, "How can a house divided against itself stand?" If what is written is TRUTH (as you believe it to be), how then can it have 'inconsistencies' and how can such be shown... by DEMONS?

And also, I ask you: specifically, what 'inconsistencies', You Know? And how can there BE 'inconsistencies'? Neither God nor Christ can or do lie... and what is written bears testimony for itself, yes? At least, according to YOUR way of thinking, yes?

It is your leaders who have been used, You Know, by Satan as false prophets AND false christs (anointed)... to mislead, if possible... EVEN THE CHOSEN ONES. Including yourself. But, it does NOT have to be so. You CAN 'buy eyesalve' and have your 'blindness' removed, and your 'eyes OPENED', so that you can 'wake up'... at ANY time. All you need DO... is stop following the 'hired man', to whom the sheep do NOT belong, and who has abandoned the sheep to the 'wolf'... the 'wild beast' that IS the WTBTS, etc., Inc.... and follow INSTEAD... the Fine Shepherd, the Lamb of God... and listen to HIS voice... rather than the 'traditions and doctrines'... of MEN... which overstep the commandments... of God.

Which commandment? With regard to 'wars and reports of wars': "See that you are not frightened, FOR THE END IS NOT YET." They missed that 'revelation', dear You Know. And apparently, so have you.

A slave of Christ,

SJ

ballistic

Hey, I think A guest and You know should have more chats...this could get interesting. LOL.

ozziepost

Sir Fred,

I must commend you on a most fluent post, quite erudite, old son!

Seems I can remember these words coming out of Brooklyn. Did you do a 'cut & paste'?

Cheers,
Ozzie
The faith that stands on authority, is not faith.
Emerson

Are we in Jesus's Reign?

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