WTS attends as a NGO to OSCE in July- 4 branches present!

by yknot 100 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • cabasilas
    cabasilas

    An NGO is simply a "non-governmental organization."

    Before the Watchtower affiliated with the Department of Information of the UN way back when it was an NGO. After it dissassociated from the DPI in 2001 it was still an NGO.

    As a non-governmental organization it will always be an NGO.

    As Mad Apostate stated back in 2001:

    The label "NGO" simply stands for "non-government/al organization". It is self-defining- an organization that has no governmental ties. The definition that the UN places on its own use of the term "NGO" is found in some of the earlier posts to this thread.

    There are obviously thousands of "NGOs" in the world, but only about 2000 which have sought out and obtained a "formal relationship" with the United Nations.

    See:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/10732/4/UNITED-NATIONS-NGOs-and-WTBS

    So, I think it's important to determine if the presence of the Watchtower Society at this meeting is as a "member" of this organization or not.

    If it's there simply to represent the interests of JWs at this meeting then this is not on the same level of the 2001 UN/DPI scandal.

  • scotinsw
    scotinsw

    Maybe I'm getting confused here but is it possible that the article in the Awake about freedom in choosing your religion is somehow connected to all this.

    I'm sure I read earlier that their participation in these is to promote UN ideas so maybe the article was to keep them in with their "friends" at OSCE.

    Then again I may be completely wrong about this! Either way it doesn't ring true with their supposed neutrality.

  • cabasilas
    cabasilas

    Maybe I'm getting confused here but is it possible that the article in the Awake about freedom in choosing your religion is somehow connected to all this.

    Now that's an interesting thought. Can we find some sort of documentation to support this? If so, that would be a very interesting development.

  • skeeter1
    skeeter1

    According to these very public documents, the following Jehovah's Witnesses attended the United Nations as NGO.

    79

    Office of General Counsel for Jehovah's Witnesses

    Office of General Counsel for Jehovah's Witnesses

    Office of General Counsel for Jehovah's Witnesses

    100 Watchtower Drive; Patterson, NY 12563; U.S.A. Mr. James ANDRIK Associate General Counsel E-mail: [email protected] Tel: 845-306 07 11 Fax: 845-306 07 09

    European Association of Jehovah's Christian Witnesses

    Rue d'Argile, 60; B-1950 Kraainem; Belgium website: http://www.jw-media.org Mr. Paul GILLIES Press Officer E-mail: [email protected] Tel: 208-906 22 11 Fax: 208-906 39 38

    Association cultuelle des Temoins de Jehovah

    11 rue de Seine; 92100 Boulogne Billancourt; France Mr. Jean-Claude PONS Secretary E-mail: [email protected] Tel: 2-32 25 55 55 Fax: 2-32 25 56 56

    Srednyaya, bldg. 6, pos. Solnechnoye; 197739 St. Petersburg; Russian Federation Website: http://www.jw-media.org

    Mr. Sergey CHEREPANOV Deputy Chairman E-mail: [email protected] Tel: 812-432-95-50 Fax: 812-432-40-70

    An NGO must "play" with the United Nations and work towards the same purposes. http://www.ngo.org/index2.htm

    NGO related Questions & Answers
    Q. How many NGOs are there in consultative status? Currently there are 3187 NGOs in consultative status with the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC), and some 400 NGOs accredited to the Commission on Sustainable Development (CSD), a subsidiary body of ECOSOC. NGOs in the CSD roster need to contact the NGO Branch of DESA in order to apply to consultative status.

    Q. What is consultative status? Non-governmental, non-profit public or voluntary organizations may be admitted into a mutually beneficial working relationship with the United Nations by attaining consultative status with the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC). This status is based on Article 71 of the Charter of the United Nations and on ECOSOC Resolution 1996/31 adopted in 1996. The rights and privileges enumerated in detail in ECOSOC resolution 1996/31, enable qualifying organizations to make a contribution to the work programmes and goals of the United Nations by serving as technical experts, advisers and consultants to governments and Secretariat. Sometimes, as advocacy groups, they espouse UN themes, implementing plans of action, programmes and declarations adopted by the United Nations. In concrete terms this entails their participation in ECOSOC and its various subsidiary bodies through attendance at these meetings, and also through oral interventions and written statements on agenda items of those bodies. In addition, organizations, qualifying for General Category consultative status, may propose new items for consideration by the ECOSOC. Organizations granted status are also invited to attend international conferences called by the U.N., General Assembly special sessions, and other intergovernmental bodies. (The participation modalities for NGOs are governed by the rules of procedure of those bodies).

    Q. What are the procedures for obtaining consultative status with the ECOSOC? In order to obtain consultative status an organization's application must be reviewed by the Committee on NGOs of the ECOSOC which meets twice a year. The Committee, composed by 19 States members of the United Nations, recommends to the ECOSOC which organizations should be granted one of three categories (General, Special, and Roster). The recommendation then goes to the ECOSOC meeting, with the full ECOSOC making the final decision. The section HOW TO OBTAIN STATUS of this site explains the process in detail.

    To begin the process for applying for such status an organization must contact in writing the NGO Branch of the Department of Economic and Social Affairs. This letter of intent should be on the organization's letterhead and signed by its secretary-general or president. Once the NGO section receives the letter of intent, an application package containing the questionnaire and all the background materials is mailed to the organization. The deadline for receiving completed applications is June 1 of each year. For example, complete applications, (which include a completed questionnaire and all the required supporting documentation) received by the NGO Branch before 1 June 2003, will be taken up by the Committee on NGOs in the year 2004.

    NGOs in the CSD roster need to contact the NGO Branch of DESA in order to apply to consultative status.

    The application forms and guidelines for the association between NGOs and the UN are also available for download at the documents section of this site.

    Q. What are the requirements for obtaining consultative status? Non-governmental, non-profit voluntary organizations may be admitted into consultative status with the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC). The types of NGOs that can apply for consultative status, the requirements for obtaining status, as well as duties and responsibilities of the NGOs in consultative status are enumerated in detail in ECOSOC Resolution 1996/31. Among other requirements, the organization's activities must be relevant to the work of ECOSOC. The NGO must have a democratic decision making mechanism. The NGO must be in existence (officially registered with the appropriate government authorities as an NGO/non-profit) for at least 2 years in order to apply. The basic resources of the organization must be derived in the main part from contributions of the national affiliates, individual members or other non-governmental components.

    NGOs in the CSD roster need to contact the NGO Branch of DESA in order to apply to consultative status.

    Q. What is the difference between General category, Special category and Roster? Organizations wishing to apply for General Category must be "concerned with most of the activities of the ECOSOC and its subsidiary bodies". These tend to be fairly large, established international NGOs with a broad geographical reach. Special Category is granted to NGOs "which have a special competence in, and are concerned specifically with, only a few of the fields of activity covered by the ECOSOC". These NGOs tend to be smaller and more recently established. Organizations which "can make occasional and useful contributions to the work of ECOSOC or its subsidiary bodies" are included in the Roster. These NGOs tend to have a rather narrow and/or technical focus.

    GeneralSpecialRoster
    Relevance to the work of ECOSOCAll areasSome areasLimited
    Are in consultative status with ECOSOC
    Attend UN meetings
    Designate UN representatives
    Invited to UN International Conferences
    Propose items for ECOSOC agenda
    Circulate statements at ECOSOC meetings2000 words500 words
    Can speak at ECOSOC
    Circulate statements at ECOSOC subsidiary bodies' meetings2000 words1500 words
    Can speak at ECOSOC subsidiary bodies' meetings
    Must submit quadrennial reports


    Q. We are in the process of completing the questionnaire to obtain consultative status. How do we make sure we do it correctly? The section HOW TO OBTAIN STATUS of this site explains the process. Guidelines for association between the UN and NGOs are available for download at the documents section. Please read both for detailed information.

    Q. There used to be NGOs in consultative status Category I and Category II. Now we keep hearing about General and Special category. How do all those categories relate to each other? Under the terms of ECOSOC Resolution 1996/31, what used to be known as Category I, is now "General Category". Category II became "Special Category". In other words, if your organization was in Category II, it is currently listed in "Special category".

    Q. We are an NGO in consultative status with the ECOSOC. Aren't we supposed to submit reports from time to time to keep our status? If you are and NGO in General or Special category, you are required to submit a quadrennial report once every 4 years detailing your activities in support of the UN. This reporting requirement does not apply to NGOs on the Roster. Quadrennial reports run on a somewhat complicated schedule, so your organization will be contacted by the NGO Branch and advised of the modalities and deadline of submission of your report. We suggest you keep detailed records of your cooperation with the UN. Please download and read carefully the guidelines for the submission of quadrennial reports available in the documents section of this site.

    Q. Are there alternative formal arrangements for NGO association with the U.N.? NGOs which have an information component in their programmes can become associated with the U.N. Department of Public Information (DPI). In addition to that, many U.N. specialized agencies operate their own accreditation programmes for NGOs which are relevant to their area of work. Examples include: * International Labor Organization (ILO) - Geneva, Switzerland* Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO) - Rome, Italy* United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) - Paris, France* World Health Organization (WHO) - Geneva, Switzerland* International Telecommunication Union (ITU) - Geneva, Switzerland* International Maritime Organization (IMO) - London, UK* World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) - Geneva, Switzerland* United Nations Industrial Development Organization (UNIDO) - Vienna, Austria* United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) - Geneva, Switzerland

    Q. Are NGOs in consultative status part of the UN? No, they are not. They are not representatives or agents of the UN, nor are they authorized to enter into business arrangements on behalf of the UN. Consultative status does not entitle them to special privileges, tax exemptions, diplomatic passports, etc.

    Q. Are NGOs in consultative status entitled to use the UN logo? NO!, they are not. Not unless the NGO obtains a written authorization from the UN Office of Legal Affairs first. Under no circumstances is this permission granted for use on stationery or business cards.
  • yknot
    yknot

    Ultimately the WTS vilifies other religions for participating alongside political affiliations.

    Yet it appears that the WTS too has been wooed by the 'power and influence' of associating with these organization who either work side by side with the UN (as the OSCE admits) or are within the United Nations System. (Like Agenda 21, June 2008 "Creation Day")

    To be seen rubbing shoulders in court cases with the likes of Scientololgist or Jimmy Swaggart amicus curiae begs the question as to where the line is drawn for the WTS versus the R&F who can find themselves in trouble for being employed by another denomination for secular employment, or say the tobacco industry (yet the WTS accepts tobacco company stocks from willed estates?).

    While the thread is not about the former UN involvment, it is clear according to the UN documents that the WTS had to show proof of it's support and dissemination of UN activies positively as part of their yearly submissions to continue it's membership in as a NGO. This means they knew the charter and upheld their end of the bargain until they were outed. It is a pretty slam dunk case with only shades of grey within understanding how the WTS operates via personalities.

  • reniaa
    reniaa

    NGO DPI - department of information gnat issue compared to Christendom telling leaders what laws they should or shouldn't do and having political candidates etc.

    Do we condemn Paul for his involvement with Rome being a roman citizen and using this to appeal to Rome the UN of his day?

    Reniaa

  • zombie dub
    zombie dub

    "Do we condemn Paul for his involvement with Rome being a roman citizen and using this to appeal to Rome the UN of his day?'

    Yes, Paul was a misogynistic, pompous, bully. And him playing the whole "I'm a roman citizen" game was hardly in keeping with Jesus alleged words of "being no part of the world" and willing to die for that.

  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro

    1 -The UN is NOT a modern day equilvent of Rome. If you want to compare a world powers of different eras, then compare the US to Rome. The UN is a political organization that doesn't really accomplish much of anything. The only reason it is important in this discussion is that WT has identified it as the wild beast of Revelation. So, by working closely with them and supporting their mission, they are going against their own theology which makes them a hypocrite. Paul appealed to the supreme power of his time in the empire he lived in. How is that even close to lobbying for democracy which is one of the OSCEs stated goals? It's already been stated that no one objects to them defending their ability to practice their religion in court. That is what Paul did.

    2. Who cares what "Christendom" supports? That's not the subject here. But, their own theology says that it's ok to get involved in politics. Whether that is supported by scripture is irrelevant because they're not reviling others about getting involved politically while at the same time doing it themselves.

    If the WT really thought they had Jehovah's backing, then why can't they let him take care of things? Why violate their own theology to get things done.

    Also, if it's such a great thing, why isn't there a WT or Awake or KM article updating the average JW on the conference and why they are attending? Aren't they proud of their work?

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Do we condemn Paul for his involvement with Rome being a roman citizen and using this to appeal to Rome the UN of his day?

    Reniaa

    Did Paul preach agaist Rome?....The WBT$ preach`s against the UN..

    Did Paul penalise his followers,for involvement with Rome?..The WBT$ penalises Jehovah`s Witness`s for any involvement in worldly organizations..

    The WBT$ is a Hypoctrite!!..

    Pony

    ..More Road Apples from Reniaa..

    ....................LOL!!...OUTLAW




  • VoidEater
    VoidEater

    The attempt to split hairs and justify WTS participation with the UN, with the OSCE, and becoming an NGO (along with the *requirements* of such), are astounding, and sound disingenuous. To be an apologetic is a result of cognitive dissonence or denial.

    Responding in court to a defend yourself against a charge is clearly one thing; paying taxes and following laws is subservience to earthly powers; BUT to voluntarily involve yourself in a clearly, blatantly political process is HYPOCRITICAL - both in terms of denyong what you're doing, and in terms of what the r/f are allowed to do.

    UNCLEAN!

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