AGuest, any of us can be a faithful and discreet slave, as opposed to an evil slave. Jesus asks the question in relation to his warning given to stay awake, as no one knows when the master returns. Very nice post by you.
Who Really IS the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by AGuest 36 Replies latest jw friends
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AGuest
May you have peace!
You both make very valid points; however, you are both missing a very important factoid: this particular "slave" is appointed over ALL of the Master's belongings. Not some. Not most. Not this group or that group. All.
Only ONE servant... of God AND man... has that designation: Christ. NO ONE else is appointed over ALL of the Master's belongings. Not even the Apostles. THEY... are only appointed to judge ISRAEL. Not the 144,00. THEY... are only appointed to judge between the "sheep" and "goats."
Only ONE had ALL authority given him... in heaven AND on earth. Over earthling man AND spirits. To judge the living... AND the dead.
Only One. And it certainly ain't the leaders of the WTBTS. It is JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, the Holy One of Israel, the Son and CHOSEN ONE (i.e., Christ) of the MOST Holy One of Israel.. Pharaoh... THE Master of the House. Perhaps what is written at Matthew 21:33-41, 45, 46 will help:
"Hear another illustration: There was a man, a HOUSEHOLDER
(lit. Master of the House), who planted a vineyard (John 15:1)
and put a fence around it and dug a winepress in it and erected
a tower, and let it out to vinedressers, and traveled abroad.
When the season of the fruits came around he dispatched his
slaves to the vinedressers to get his fruits. However, the vine-
dressers took his slaves, and one they beat up, another they
killed, another they stoned. Again, he dispatched other slaves,
more than the first, but they did the same to these. Lastly, he
dispatched HIS SON to them, saying, 'They will respect my SON.'
On seeing the SON the vinedressers said among themselves,
'This is the HEIR; come, let us KILL HIM and get his inheritance.'
Sothey took him and threw him out of the vineyard and
killed him. Therefore, when the OWNER (Master) of the vine-
yard comes, what will HE do to those vinedressers?
"Now when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his illustra-
tions, they took note that he was speaking about them. But,
although they were seeking to seize him, they feared the
crowds because these held him to be a prophet."
True, Christ is OUR master... and he is master over the harvest. Just like JOSEPH. But... he is NOT the Master of the House [Pharaoh]. My Lord... is the Master's SON... and HEIR... and the One... who because he "emptied himself out and TOOK A SLAVE'S form" (Philippians 2:7)... has BEEN appointed over ALL of the Master's (God/Pharaoh's) belongings (like Joseph): in heaven AND on earth... the spirit realm AND the physical realm... celestial AND terrestrial... spirit beings AND earthling man.
May you have ears to hear and get the sense of this truth, if you so wish it.
Your servant and a slave of Christ,
SA
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PSacramento
Aguest,
You point is valid, I just don't think that the parable is ONLY applicable to Jesus.
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AGuest
(and I wish you the greatest of love and peace)...
Who else is/could be appointed over ALL of the Master's belongings? I think it's important that we consider any other possibilities, as we should most probably be looking for... or perhaps even to... such one(s), yes? I mean, for me, a "belonging," I'd really like to know, so I truly look forward to your response.
Again, peace to you!
Your servant and a slave of Christ,
SA
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Inkie
AGuest and PSacramento:
I think it would behoove us to look at what Jah himself says about whom he has appointed (or not). You really can't get more "faithful and discreet" than Christ, can you? Note the three verses quoted below:
31 Because he (God) has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has furnished a guarantee to all men in that he has resurrected him from the dead.” —Acts 17:31.
5 For it is not to angels that he has subjected the inhabited earth to come, about which we are speaking. 6 But a certain witness has given proof somewhere, saying: “What is man that you keep him in mind, or [the] son of man that you take care of him? 7 You made him a little lower than angels; with glory and honor you crowned him, and appointed him over the works of your hands. 8 All things you subjected under his feet ” For in that he subjected all things to him[God] left nothing that is not subject to him. Now, though, we do not yet see all things in subjection to him;. 9 but we behold Jesus, who has been made a little lower than angels, crowned with glory and honor for having suffered death, that he by God’s undeserved kindness might taste death for every [man]. —Hebrews 2:5-9
1 God , who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, 2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. 3 He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. —Hebrews 1:1-3
--Inkie
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PSacramento
Aguest,
I don't have any issue with Jesus being the discreet and faithful slave, though he was neither discreet or a slave, it is certianly a possibility.
That said, I don't think it was LIMITED to only Jesus in the broad context of theparable, notice that 2 out of the 3 slaves were rewarded.
While I can see Jesus as THE ONE appointed over ALL, I can also see the apostles being faitful to Jesus and ALL that HE appointed them over.
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Inkie
Dear PSacramento,
How is it you say that Jesus was "neither discreet or a slave"? Please check out:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discreetMain Entry:
dis·creet
Pronunciation: \di-
'skret \
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French discret, from Medieval Latin discretus, from Latin, past participle of discernere to separate, distinguish between — more at
discernDate: 14th century
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capable of preserving prudent silence
: having or showing discernment or good judgment in conduct and especially in speech : prudent ; especially : http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1401&t=NIV#Please go to this blueletter page and see the ENTIRE definition.
Slave or Servant = doulos
1)
a)
a slaveb)
metaph., a. one who gives himself up to another's will . . .are those whose agency God employs in executing his purposes; used of apostles; of Moses; of prophets; of all who obey God’s commands, his true worshippers; strenuously laboring for another’s salvation;
c)
devoted to another to the disregard of one's own interests2)
a servant, attendantHaving read the biblical texts, I do SEE that Jesus fits all of these definitions to warrant Him being not only "a" faithful and discreet servant/slave, but also "the" faithful and discreet slave/servant.
Perhaps in the broad text there are other "faithful and discreet" slaves/servants--and this is certainly to be hoped for, yes?
--Inkie
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PSacramento
Well, Jesus was very public in his proclamations, not very discreet at all, he raised people from the dead !
You call that discreet ?
;)
As for Slave, yes he was a slave, for a period of time, he is now our Lord and Saviour, thatis my point, that at one point and for a time, Jesus was the discreet and faithful slave but NOW, and after his ressurection, that it falls on Us.
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AGuest
May you have peace!
First, dear one, your statement "I can also see the apostles being faitful to Jesus and ALL that HE appointed them over," assumes:
(1) that Christ is "Master" of the House, which is incorrect - the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... is THE Master [of the House]; Christ is HIS slave, as I am Christ's slave; and
(2) that he appointed the Apostles over ALL of his belongings, which is also incorrect since the Apostles were ONLY appointed over the 12 tribes of Israel; however, Christ's "belongings" include EVERYTHING "in the heavens AND the things on the earth"... except the Most Holy One of Israel Himself. Thus, it would include the great crowd... AND THE ANGELS... which the Apostles where not appointed over (Paul was the Apostle to the nations, not the 12 - they were Apostles to Israel - "Judea and Samaria")... and neither have we been.
I get it that you wish to remain with this belief that has been "strongly entrenched" inyou. No worries - you believe what you believe. I have to share the truth, however, and I have done "just so" here. Whether you hear... or refrain.
I remain,
YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,
SA
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PSacramento
Aguest,
I don't have ANY belief entrenched in me other than: One God, our Father and his beloved Son Jesus Christ our lord and saviour and their Holy Spirit that guides us through Jesus.
Everything else is "up for debate" as it were.
By the way, I said the Jesus appointed the disciples over ALL that he appointed them over, which means that if he apponted them over the 12 tribes then he appointed them over all of the 12 tribes, I think we are saying the samething.
I also said that Jesus is our lord and saviour, not that he as a master over any house, not sure were you got that.