Who Really IS the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by AGuest 36 Replies latest jw friends

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  AGuest

  I also said that Jesus is our lord and saviour, not that he as a master over any house, not sure were you got that...

  Peace to you dear PSacramento!

  I got that from the fact that it is the MASTER [of the house] that does the appointing. Since you allude that, by appointing the Apostles over ALL that he appointed them over, they (the Apostles) and possibly we could ALSO be that FDS, you are alluding that Christ is the Master here. He is not.

  And while it is true that the appointment was over ALL of the 12 tribes - meaning, all 12 tribes as well as ALL who are OF those tribes - the 12 tribes are not ALL of the Master's "belongings." They are SOME. But the Slave is appointed over ALL. Which means both heavenly belongings and earthly belongings... and thus, includes the angels.

  So... it cannot be the Apostles, nor us, as none of them/us are appointed over the angels. I mean, while we may each have an angel, none of us are over ALL of them. You know, including Michael (who is subject to Christ), Gabriel (who is subject to Christ), Abaddon/Apollyon (who is subject to Christ), etc.

  I apologize if you take exception to what I am saying... or perhaps how you perceive me as saying it (i.e., my "tone"). There is nothing but love and peace meant. It's just my blood sugar is dropping (I haven't eaten, yet) and I was trying to hurry and respond to as much as I could because I will need to be off the computer for the rest of the day, perhaps the weekend, even. So, if my response seemed "terse," I apologize. It was not intended.

  Again, peace to you!

  YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

  SA
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  PSacramento

  AQuest,

  I take NO excpetion to what you are saying, on the contray, outside of the way you say it sometimes, I love the info you present.

  SO, if I am reading you right, Jesus is the faithful and discreet slave because God appointed him over all His (God's) Possesions, correct?

  And since no one else can be appointed over ALL the God has, it must be Christ, yes?
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  AGuest

  Yep, you got it, dear PSacramento (and the greatest of love and peace to you!) And my apologies for "how [I] say it sometimes" - I do the best I can -

  Peace!

  Your servant and a slave of Christ,

  SA (who managed to sneak a few minutes to get online!)
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  PSacramento

  Agues, I must say though that I still have concerns about this interpretation, according to Matthew 24:45-51, this faithful and wise servant CAN be punished, cut to pieces actually.

  Does this apply to Jesus as well ??
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  JWoods

  I somehow always viewed the parable to mean the personal integrety of ANY christian. As in - which of you can really say that he was a faithful and discreet slave?

  Something to reach for and live up to.

  Maybe it doesn't really have to be more complicated than just that.
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  PSacramento

  Jwoods,

  I have always viewed it that way to.
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  PSacramento

  45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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  snowbird

  A similar (parallel?) passage from Luke seems to point to each individual Christian's responsibility to be faithful and prudent.

  When the Master Shows Up

  Luke 12: 35 -38 "Keep your shirts on; keep the lights on! Be like house servants waiting for their master to come back from his honeymoon, awake and ready to open the door when he arrives and knocks. Lucky the servants whom the master finds on watch! He'll put on an apron, sit them at the table, and serve them a meal, sharing his wedding feast with them. It doesn't matter what time of the night he arrives; they're awake—and so blessed!

  39 -40 "You know that if the house owner had known what night the burglar was coming, he wouldn't have stayed out late and left the place unlocked. So don't you be slovenly and careless. Just when you don't expect him, the Son of Man will show up."

  41 Peter said, "Master, are you telling this story just for us? Or is it for everybody?"

  42 -46 The Master said, "Let me ask you: Who is the dependable manager, full of common sense, that the master puts in charge of his staff to feed them well and on time? He is a blessed man if when the master shows up he's doing his job. But if he says to himself, 'The master is certainly taking his time,' begins maltreating the servants and maids, throws parties for his friends, and gets drunk, the master will walk in when he least expects it, give him the thrashing of his life, and put him back in the kitchen peeling potatoes.

  47 -48 "The servant who knows what his master wants and ignores it, or insolently does whatever he pleases, will be thoroughly thrashed. But if he does a poor job through ignorance, he'll get off with a slap on the hand. Great gifts mean great responsibilities; greater gifts, greater responsibilities!

  Let the reader use discernment.

  Sylvia
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  PSacramento

  Neither of those psaages, with their statement of "punishment" seems to apply to Jesus, there was never any issue of Jesus NOT doing his fathers work, how coudl he not? Jesus and God are one, the unity of purpose.
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  JWoods

  It is strange the way the WTS has placed themselves as ALREADY being both "faithful" & "discreet" - by their own self-description! - and using these verses to exaggerate their own self-importance.

  Any honest reading of these passages would tend to impress the ideal of humility and quiet faithful service when no one is looking.

  Instead, the WTS has distorted this into a mandate of some vain-glorious earthly rulership.