The following is my response to your last post... and your questions:
BUT… if I AM bothering you,...not at all...
Then, again, I apologize. I do not know what your first language is but in MY language when someone says, "let me be" they are indicating that they don't want to be bothered (at all or any longer). I misunderstood because, as I have said in several posts, perhaps we should just agree to disagree and it has been YOU who asked to continue the discussion. Anyone who has been "watching" can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am in this.
I SINCERELY apologize...i accept your apology, it would be ungodly for to refuse, but I must ask why are you apologizing for? I need an offense in order to forgive you or accept your apology. Forgiveness is a two way street not one.
For "bothering" you... which is what I believed you to be insinuating. And your second sentence makes no sense, as many of your statements don't (i.e., "i accept your apology"... "why are you apologizing?"... "I need an offense in order to accept your apology"...). I think our language differences are causing us both some confusion.
Please know that henceforth I will not address you at ALL, if that is what you truly wish…I did not said that I clearly stated I will be silence to let others prove your errors…here let me repeat myself…Let everybody in here be witness of your gospel, let them tell you, and please listen for once, you are wrong or at least give yourself the benefit of the doubt...in the mean time let me be....
May I ask who “everybody in here” would be? Because, from the looks of it, “everybody in here” has not commented or even weighed in. Rather, only a couple/few who either (1) vehemently agree with you, (2) somewhat or greatly agree with me, or (3) disagree with us both. BUT… that is neither here nor there to me. The Body of Christ is not a democracy, dear one. We don’t vote as to what we believe is truth. We FOLLOW what the HOLY SPIRIT says is truth. EVEN… if others disagree. Indeed, in SPITE of the fact that others WILL disagree.
But, YOU must make up YOUR mind, as my time is growing very short…I made up my mind. I will be silence regarding the subjects we have shared in the past and I don’t know when and what I will bring next time I post something.
Here goes that deceit thing, again. NOW, rather than answer the question I have asked you, you’re using the current discussion (the question of “gods” and their/my “preexistence”) to deflect from that. To date, you’ve only answered part of the ONE question I asked you. As YOU wrote: “as I remember you asked me how many person there is in 2 cor 3:17 or something similar?…my answer is…ONE…if you want to talk about Jesus and HS being the same person we can do that but lets take one subject at a time.” Dear Javig, I am ready to “talk” about this part… whenever YOU are.
In the mean time let the witnesses (those watching and reading our discussions) in here correct you and please have an open mind.
My mind… AND my heart… are always open, dear Javig. ALWAYS. But, I will only accept such “correction” if it purports with what the SPIRIT has given me or will give me… which should at least have SOME foundation in the scriptures/verses such ones attempt to use TO “correct” me.
You should make up your mind regarding your preexistence subject to tell or not…and in case you decide to tell… I promise you this… I will not use scriptures to correct you or to disagree.
Well, okay, then, we have an agreement.
Like I said before with something else…honestly I don’t even know with what at this moment…
Ummmmm… not totally sure what you mean here… or with the icons following, but… okay. Now, back to your unanswered questions:
I want to add more new questions regarding your preexistence
Sure! But keep in mind, what YOU appear to be thinking as a “preexistence” may not comport with what such existence was. But… okay, let’s do it!
1)…do you see yourself as human being right now?
Yes
I know you said you will become a god after your death but what about now? You see yourself as a human or god or both?..
Literally, human only, for now. Technically, however, both, for now. Eventually, and eternally, a god. And NOT a deity… idol… or something to be worshipped. A god as in an immortal. I am human only NOW… because I am still flesh… with ITS blood. Thus, I am yet a mortal. But because I have received a token… and thus a guarantee… as to the “god” part, by means of having received GOD’s blood… holy spirit… I am being “regenerated.” At some point, I will be reborn… as an IMMORTAL. So, since it’s as good AS done… I can put my faith in it now. And although there are not a great many of us anymore, I am not alone. The Bible does tell you of this truth.
2) is there a difference between humans and gods kinds
Yes
what is it?
Humans are flesh… with its blood… and thus mortal. They must eat/drink physical food and water in order to survive for a few minutes/hours; however, their flesh will still die. They must sleep. They must pee and poop. They must breathe oxygen. They get sick and/or age. Thus, they die.
Gods (with a lower case “g”) are flesh… with God’s blood… and thus IMMORTAL. These only eat SPIRITUAL food and drink SPIRITUAL drink… which is “manna”… and “living water.” They do not sleep. They do not pee or poop (all that they consume becomes a PART of them… so that they are strengthened even more… and ETERNALLY… and thus live FOREVER… and not for a matter of a few minutes/hours). Their flesh does not die; it must be destroyed. The Bible tells you of this truth.
The life… is IN… the blood, dear Javig. God does not die, neither do they who have HIS blood in them. Adham died. So does everyone who has HIS blood… in THEM.
3) where you get this belief and please don’t point me at the bible(you will be contradicting yourself)?
I received this TRUTH from my Lord, the Holy One of Israel, who is the Holy Spirit. He showed me all that I have shared with you: spirit beings, including himself. What they look like, what they eat, what happens when they eat, etc. What they do. How they originated. The spirit realm. What’s it in. The Ark. And more. And the Bible tells you of all of these truths, too.
where did you get that info from?
From my Lord.
where is the evidence (if any)?if not ok
For YOU… it would be in the Bible (I mean, that’s really the only “evidence” you will accept, right?)
4) do you remember your early state and what you did back then”, if you don’t why not?
Yes. I absolutely do remember my “state”… and what I “did” (or rather, was doing, which is not much, given my “state”). I was a mere seed… protected within the womb of the Woman, which womb is an Ark (like in the temple, not like Noah’s). Along with a kajillion other seed, I was just there. Not “doing” anything… yet… except being taught by my Lord. It was before the seed was ever sown here that he began to speak to it. Like an older brother speaking to the baby in his mother’s womb. And he told us many things… all of which he said he would recall to our minds at some later time. The “doing,” however, on OUR part… didn’t take place until the seed was sown here, in the physical realm. Then, there was nothing TO do.
5) what was or is the purpose behind this journey, God created you as a god, then he send you to earth into a sinful body to later send jesus, another god to save you (another god)…Tell me whole purpose behind this?
No, God did not create me as a god. Like Christ, I am a son. Sons of god by His FREE wife… are not created; they are born. It is the sons by the slave wife, the physical realm… who are created. The gods (spirit beings) that are angels were created. The gods (spirit beings) that are sons… are not; they are born.
We, my brothers and I, of which Christ is the FOREMOST one… (and you could possibly be one – who am I to judge – God shows mercy to whomever HE wishes to show it ) - were just seed in the spirit realm (which I believe I told you earlier). Seed of our mother, Jerusalem Above, our Father’s “free” wife, who is the “Woman” depicted in Chapter 12 of the Revelation. We (the seed) had enemies in the spirit realm. So, until God could “fertilize” us with HIS seed… holy spirit… He “hid” us from our enemies by “sowing” us… in the PHYSICAL realm… the earth. Our “hiding” place… is the body of flesh… which was taken from the earth (through Adham).
Adham was to be guardian of that seed; however, he sold it for his own selfish gain (to be “like” God). As a result of this action, Adham, who was created as flesh… with God’s blood, holy spirit, in him… was given a long garment of skin… with ITS blood in it… so that the man he originally was… became enslaved to the man… he became: flesh… with ITS blood. This kind of flesh CANNOT enter into the spirit realm (kingdom). It can be undone, however, by eating from the Tree of Life… which tree… is Christ, the TRUE Vine, the ROOT of Jesse, SPROUT!
So, by his action, Adham literally sold that seed into slavery… to death… by means of committing an act that resulted in the seed being encased in a long garment of skin… flesh with its blood… which “garment” has sin… and death… in it. That is the state we (the seed) are in now. By means of Christ, however, we were REPURCHASED… by means of Christ giving HIS life… and so, just as Adham sold us into a “vessel”… the “garment” that enslaves us… Christ will RELEASE us back from the “vessel”… into the one HE earned FOR us: the WHITE ROBE… a spirit body… the CLEAN “garment.” The vessel/garment which Christ will give us is IMMORTAL. And we would have had such garment at the start had (1) it not been necessary for our Father to hide us from our enemies in the first place, and (2) Adham not “bargained” us into a mortal “vessel/garment.”
But there is more: our Adversary also sowed HIS seed… right along with God’s. And these are growing, together… until the harvest of ALL seed. Although hidden in earthen vessels… bodies of flesh with its blood… both seed can be discerned now: by its love… or its hate… for its brother(s).
6) I think that makes your God an unjust, unfair and inconsiderable putting you thru all this journey? If not, why not?
I absolutely disagree! He did it to preserve us alive until we could be conceived by HIS spirit! What is unjust, unfair, and inconsiderate (sic) of that?! Our enemies in the spirit realm were seeking to destroy us and seek to do so still! Why? Because they want OUR inheritance: the spirit realm… which belongs to our brother and Lord, Christ, as HIS inheritance (as the FIRSTBORN of our Father)… and the physical realm, earth… which belongs to us, as OUR inheritance.
Bring your answers…at this point I am willing to listen and please don’t use the bible as proof...
I have done so and used NO Bible at all. But, it’s all in there, if you ever care to look.
Couples of questions totally different from your preexistence subject
I am your servant; ask away…
…A) what if, if everything you belief is a lie? How would that affect you? Have you thought about that?....
First, it is not a lie. Second, do you really think that I have not TESTED what I heard from my Lord? Although I admit I am not the “brightest” crayon in the box, dear Javig, I am also not your average idiot. If I were, I would still be “in” the WTBTS. Or believing in the Trinity. Or…
I came to know they THEY were a lie… because a good deal of what those entities said did not have the RING OF TRUTH to it. Things just kept hitting “sour” notes in my ears. But I did not give up hope that there WAS/IS a truth. I KEPT asking… I KEPT seeking… I KEPT knocking. So, OF COURSE, when my Lord first appeared to me… and the kingdom of the heavens WAS opened to me, I asked questions. Lots of questions. TONS of questions. For days… weeks… months. And he answered every one of them. In TRUTH.
And, initially, because I LACKED FAITH… he showed ME where EVERY ONE of his answers was “written”… IN THE BIBLE. He would TELL me… and then SHOW me. After while, I would just put faith in what he TOLD me… because I knew that if I looked where he told me, it would be there. Why require the “second” witness? I no longer needed it. It was then that he told me that some of what he would tell me from that point is NOT written in the Bible and that not ALL that is written in the Bible is truth (what he would tell me). So, because I LEARNED to trust him… by listening to him and putting faith in what he SAID… I learned to listen to his voice in TOTAL faith… not in partial faith with a little bit of skepticism.
I trust him COMPLETELY now… so that I no longer need the Bible… or ANY writing… to “show” me in order to put faith in what I hear from him. I hear… and I believe what he tells me. Because HIS words… are ALWAYS truthful. ALWAYS. Without exception.
B) will you put Faith and believe in what the LORD is telling me to tell you that you are wrong in everything you have said about Himself? If not why not?
No, sorry, but I will not put faith in that. Because:
(1) I do not know the “Lord” you are claiming to speak for; thus “he” is a “stranger” to me and I no longer listen to the voice of strangers.
(2) MY Lord is not telling YOU that, because…
(3) MY Lord would have told ME that he is telling YOU to tell me; indeed…
(4) If MY Lord had something to tell me HE would tell me, himself; and…
(5) If I didn’t listen to OR couldn’t HEAR what he was saying to me… he would SHOW me where it is “written”… in the “scriptures”… whether such “scriptures” are in the Bible… or in some other place. He would direct me to it… and I would find it.
But NONE of these things have occurred. What HAS occurred, however, is that my Lord has told me that you are a false prophet. And your “fruits”… and now your false claim (that you’ve been told to tell me something) have shown him to be truthful. So, of course, I believe HIM.
C) What book, other than the bible, you know that inform us about GOD and it is in print?
There are MANY books that inform us “about” God. Both inspired and uninspired. But none of them can give you LIFE. None of them can open the WAY to God. None of them contain the TRUTH. None of them can LEAD you to God. None of them can get you INTO the kingdom. And none of them can get you before the face of the MOST Holy One of Israel Himself. There is only ONE thing… that can do this. Indeed, HE… can do ALL of these things: the Holy One of Israel, the Son and Christ of the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH… the Holy Spirit.
Well, okay! I have answered you completely and truthfully as to what you have asked. Will you, now, answer the remainder of my question to you? I.e., WHO was Paul speaking OF… at 2 Corinthians 3:17, which states: “Now, the Lord is the Spirit.” WHO is the Lord Paul was speaking of… and WHO or WHAT is the Spirit mentioned there?
My peace remains.
A slave of Christ, to time indefinite,
SA