May you have peace…
I have taken the matter to my Lord and his word to me is that because if you have been unwilling to grasp what I have shared with you thus far… particularly in light of the fact that I HAVE shown you where it is “written”… in YOUR “god,” the Bible… I am no longer under any obligation to share any other things with you. The choice is mine, however, but no obligation exists.
So, I have decided that IF we discuss the matter (i.e., my pre-existence, although I am not sure that what you’re referring to is what I am referring to) NEITHER of us may use the Bible. I will not use it to state my position… and YOU will not use it to refute my position… or state yours. In addition, NEITHER of us will refer to the “Biblical” writings of any other; no theologian, scholar, historian, preacher, teacher, or ANY others who have had anything to say IN, or ABOUT, the Bible, including the Bible writers. NEITHER of us will refer to what a Bible writer may have said or written under ANY circumstance.
There are other truths in scriptures that will consume your preexistence theory.
Ummmm…no. If I can’t use the Bible, I don't believe it fair and equitable for YOU to use it...
That’s why I asked you to share it with me without the bible.
Okay. And if you want a response to your question… I must ask the very same of you when making YOUR response.
Of course, I will refuse your preexistence not using the bible but with something else.
Ahhh, yes, Thomas: you WILL refuse. It’s your choice, of course. But in doing so, you will do what the WTBTS and all other religions do: use the 10-12 verses that you know to try and push, support, and justify your belief and teachings. But, okay… perhaps we’ll see what you’ve got.
If you want me to disprove your theory with the bible I will gladly do it and of course you don’t have to agree with me.
Ummmmm… nooooooo… I don’t think the Bible is necessary at all. However, YOU need to use it, by all means, please… do so. Only, be forewarned, that if YOU use it… I will, too. Because I will use it to show YOU… where YOU are misusing… misunderstanding… mistransliterating… misinterpreting… it… AND so using it to MISlead.
I don’t put my faith in the translations but in the HS that will teach me and guide between those bad translation to see the light of truth.
Really. And just what IS that “light of truth?”
Then, I can said what the psalmist said, “the word of GOD Is like a lamp unto my feet”....
Dear Javig, you totally don’t even get what the Psalmist meant… and it is more than evident here. IF you can answer the previous question, however, you might COME to know. (Wait, here, let me help you: John 1:4, 5, 8, 9; 8:12; 9:39; 12:46, because perhaps by reading THESE… you WILL hear… if not SEE… and get the SENSE of it. Which is MUCH more important to me… that my being “right”).
You seem to know my heart? You seem to know that I don’t belong to Christ?
Your heart, no. Not exactly, for our flesh currently “hides” it. But, that you don’t belong to Christ, yes. Absolutely. I know you by your “fruits” – or rather, the lack thereof. Matthew 7:16
You think they are the same person?
Yes, indeed. Because they are the same person.
How they can be the same person when Jesus tell his disciples “another” is coming referring to the HS.
Well, let’s look at that, shall we? Because I have learned not to take ANYTHING “written” at “face” value. I will explain it to YOU… the way my LORD… explained it to ME:
The Greek word here for “another” (taken from John 14:16) is “allos” which conforms to Strong’s G243 and means “another,” “other,” “one,” or “some.” So, perhaps someone decided to use “another,” as opposed to, say, “one”? Not quite. The TRUTH is that there is actually another underlying Greek word that is very often confused with “allos.” That word is “heteros,” represented by Strong’s G2087.
While G243 (as compared with G2087) indicates numerical distinction as opposed to a qualitative difference, G243 adds ('one besides') where G2087 distinguishes ('one of two'). G243 generally denotes differentiation between more than one individual (i.e., “in addition to”); however, G2087 involves not only differentiation between numbers, but qualitative difference, as well (i.e., the difference of nature or form… of kind):
1) the other, another, other
a) to number
1) to number as opposed to some former person or thing
2) the other of two
b) to quality
1) another: i.e. one not of the same nature, form, class, kind, different
The word of my Lord to ME is that “false pen” of the scribe who copied John’s account chose the WRONG term for “another.” He/she chose “allos”… rather than “heteros.” Had he put “heteros”… the CORRECT term for “another,” then you would have been able to READ… in your Bible… that when John wrote “And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you for ever ,” he meant not another spirit altogether, but the Spirit in a DIFFERENT FORM. One that has been GLORIFIED and become INcorruptible. The Spirit of Christ, the TRUTH (and thus, the Spirit OF THE TRUTH – John 14:6)… which Christ himself attested to when HE said:
“Look! I… am with you always… “ Matthew 28:20
1) jesus is a god -
2) jesus and the HS are the same person – 2 Corinthians 3:17; 1 John 2:1, 2
3) I will be a god (Ummmm… no, I do not automatically include you in this truth; however, yes, there are those who fit this description) – Psalm 82:6; John 10:34
4) I am a god incarcerated in a sinful body (Please see above. And please note, again, that I do not include you, yet. YOU are assuming that I include you in the Body of Christ – I do not make that assumption.)
5) I preexisted before my earthly existence (Please see above – and, again, I do not say that this applies to you. Yet.) – Romans 8:29, 30; 1 Corinthians 2:6-10; Ephesians 1:4, 5
6) Jesus die for “little gods” like me and humans - Psalm 82:6; John 10:34
7) We don’t need the whole bible but some parts, not all are inspire (No, I have shared with YOU… what my Lord has shared with ME: that we don’t need ANY of it) – John 5:39, 40
8) There is only two in the Godhead, Father and Jesus - John 1:1
9) Jesus is not the GOD incarnated but a god incarnated - Matthew 17:5; John 14:28
10) Satan is a god - 2 Corinthians 4:4; 1 John 5:19
11) Spirits/ bad angels will be destroy - 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6; Revelation 20:9; 2 Peter 3:7
12) Jesus body was re-created - John 20:14; 1 Corinthians 15:35, 37, 38, 44, 46, 47
13) Jesus became a god at his birth (see below)
14) The father produced a god, jesus - Proverbs 8:22; Colossians 1:15
15) Jesus, a god came forth the father - John 8:42; 13:3
16) My lord told me these things – (MY Lord told ME these things, yes. What YOUR “lord” is telling YOU… is false.) - John 10:3-5, 27; Matthew 10:27; Revelation 3:20
You don’t have to reveal to me your preexistence theory.
You are correct: I don’t HAVE to. And it remains to be seen if I will…
...in the mean time let me be....
Let me get this straight: I am BOTHERING you? Well, then, I SINCERELY apologize! I am only responding… because YOU asked me to! You DO recall, do you not, that I said we should just agree to disagree… and YOU responded that you wanted to continue? I mean, it is on record, dear Javig, somewhere above.
BUT… if I AM bothering you, I SINCERELY apologize. Please know that henceforth I will not address you at ALL, if that is what you truly wish. But, YOU must make up YOUR mind, as my time is growing very short.
In the meantime, my peace remains.
A slave of Christ,
SA
