Climate Change The New Catalyst For Globalists/Communist Utopia

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  • beksbks
    beksbks

    Right then part three

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    Do you have credible source that says otherwise? To say that a Chilean volcano has emitted more CO2 than all human activity since WWII, the USGS have to be off by several orders of magnitude.

  • Comment by Richard Cochrane on 9 November 2009:

    gbeauregard The source is cited and its cover pictured in the in the original post. Google it.
    By the way the 2002 USGS report has been widely questioned and I believe it has been amended. In fairness its calculation were 2002 and not 2009 so there is a 7 year gap.
    Certainly this is an ongoing debate mostly between government agencies and private scientists. One with its hand in the taxpayer pocket and one without.

  • Comment by gbeauregard on 12 November 2009:

    >> The source is cited and its cover pictured in the in the original post. Google it.

    The source whose cover picture you included is National Geographic’s “Six Degrees Could Change the World”, which is based on Mark Lynas’ book “Six Degrees: Our Future on a Hotter Planet”. I’ve watched the video, and read the book. (The book’s quite good - very well researched and referenced. The video is disappointingly shallow).

    Neither the book nor the video mentioned a volcano in southern Chile that’s spitting out in two weeks “more CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) than the sum total of all human activity has in more than two decades”. This is hardly surprising, since that would undermine their thrust that greenhouse gas emissions from human activity are causing climate change.

    So again: can you point to a credible source that that does back up your claim?

    Incidentally, the country is “Chile”, not “Chili”. Google it

  • Comment by Richard Cochrane on 13 November 2009:

    I should have specified greenhouse gases and not fallen victom to the Gore shorthand of Carbon Dioxide. Conclusions from researchers funded by the National Science Foundation, French Polar Institute (IPEV) and the Institut National des Sciences del’Univers (INSU) and a plethora of others

  • Comment by gbeauregard on 13 November 2009:

    So I take it you’re now claiming that researchers funded by the NSF, IPEV, and INSU have concluded that that a Chilean volcano has emitted more greenhouse gases than all human activity in the last two decades? Credible references welcome. Good luck finding any

    From what I’ve read, volcanic eruptions do have a significant short-term impact on climate, in that the aerosol

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    From what I’ve read, volcanic eruptions do have a significant short-term impact on climate, in that the aerosol particles they put into the atmosphere short-term global cooling. Perhaps that’s what you’re thinking of. See for example:
    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Volcano/

    It’s partly due to this known, measured *cooling* effect of volcanoes that one of the leading geo-engineering ideas to combat warming is to deliberately create stratospheric aerosols.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfate_aerosols_(geoengineering)

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    right beks, he's even more deeply full of shit than I pointed out, since volcanoes have a cooling effect (which is undoubtably one of the things that has the cynics confused, since they don't "do" complexity and science very well).

  • villabolo
    villabolo

    Satanus:

    "Less sarcasticly though.... The truth is that our favorable weather is and always has been on a knife edge balance. In the distant past, the whole freekin planet has been totally frozen over, at least a couple of times. Volcanoes and asteroids have wiped the planet almost clean at least a couple of times. Change in the weather is the ONLY constant."

    My understanding, according to geological findings, is that we entered an unstable state approximately 2 million years ago. We had sporadic ice ages before then (and one or two worse ones like snowball earth) but they did not occur in the staccato, one after the other, fashion that has been occuring within those past two million years. The cause of our regular predicament is supposed to be the isthmus of Panama. Before South America permanently linked to North America the ocean currents kept us relatively stable and warm. But when Panama finally staged a permanent appearance it created a chain reaction of changes in the ocean currents causing us to be on the knifes edge as you put it between ice age and warm interludes. My feeling is that the warm periods outnumbered, in years, the cold ones (I'm not referring to the past 2 million years but to the past billion).

    Although it is speculated that the industrial revolution helped to get us out of the "mini-ice age" that Europe (not necessarily the rest of the world) experienced, our continous release of CO2 can put us in a hot period in which the only habitable zone for agriculture is in Siberia and Alaska. James Lovelock, author of the Gaia hypothesis, estimates 100 million people inhabiting the circumpolar regions. This is the worse case scenario requiring 1000 parts per million of CO2 (compared with our current 380). Even if the actual situation turns out to be one fourth as bad that would create one extremely nasty bit of history.

    As far as asteroids and comets it was in the young days of our solar system that they were a nuisance to our planet. They have dwindled down to a relatively safe number as far as the king size ones are concerned.

    As far as your conclusion that change in the weather is the only constant my conclusion is, why provoke it? We could last for millions of years on this planet and prevent the weather from getting worse with well thought out geo-engineering techniques. And within a few thousand years, we could be living in space colonies, like the "O'Neil Cylinders" where we would have miles of park like surface and perfectly adjusted climate.

    villabolo

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    6

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Villa

    I agree that we have the potential and will probably arrive at a standard where we can manage the weather of the whole earth., whether that involves massive gas pumping, shading/heating w mirrors, levelling a mountain range or two, or cutting the isthmus. However, at this moment, while we are generally warming,, more is unknown than known about the whole field of weather, imo. We are making, not even baby steps. We are still in the flailing stages.

    S

  • besty
    besty

    i will be happy to respond to happyguy if anyone is interested.

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    Go Besty. I'll read it.

  • villabolo
    villabolo

    Me too Besty.

    villabolo

  • freydo
    freydo

    Gore cancels on Copenhagen lecture – leaves ticketholders in a lurch

    Watts Up With That
    Thursday, December 3, 2009

    "It seems the uncertainty about Copenhagen is growing. When Al baby pulls the plug, you know it’s hosed.........."

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/gore-cancels-on-copenhagen-lecture-%E2%80%93-leaves-ticketholders-in-a-lurch.html

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