by garyneal 32 Replies latest jw experiences
Hi Gary,
Always a pleasure to read your posts and see what the Lord is up to :)
BTW, if you need to type a log post then use something offline, Word or a text editor and then paste on here. I am sure pretty much every regular poster here has lost some typing at least once or twice, myself included :(
Blessings,
Stephen
gary : sinis gave you good advise here . get away from these people as fast as possible. they will destroy your marriage and family step by step. you have no idea what your dealing with. I feel really sorry for you, at the rate your going either you will become a jw or they will kick you to the curb and steal your family. and leave you in a world of pain. I surprised your not getting better advise from the posters here. Then again I'm not surprised your not getting good advise here because most posters here have no back bone and love getting shitted on by their jw family. and keep hanging out with these jw's and they will do the same to you unless you join. I don't mean to be rude but these are facts. the wts is robbing your family straight out from under your nose , and smiling in your face while taking your loved ones away... and your too BLIND TO SEE IT. SORRY FOR THE HONESTY. RUTHERFRAUD
judge rutherFRAUD and sinis:
Wow, I am not sure what to say. Is it really true that the posters here have no backbone and like getting "shitted on by their jw family?" Maybe some of the other posters here can elaborate on that as I cannot speak for them.
I am not going to become a JW, that religion is too dangerous. I am concerned though that you feel like they are going to kick me to the curb and steal my family. Has this happened to you? What do you propose I do? Leave them behind and stop going to the meetings? Yeah, that is probably best since I never get anything out of them other than boredom and my daughter is restless and gets spanked or disciplined constantly. Then my wife tells me that she is always the disciplinarian and I am just too easy going. She's 3 and if I, a 38 year old man, get restless and bored sitting at a meeting for 2 hours, I know she gets even more so.
Should I not at least go when my daughter goes for her protection? Maybe there is nothing to concern myself with by letting my daughter go with my wife alone. I will admit, since my going to support my wife will never translate into her doing things in support of me, it does make me wonder why I am even bothering.
My wife has been demanding that I stop coming to this message board. Even threatening to have our Internet service at home cut off if I do not cease. I thought I was the head of our household, how is my coming to this board in any way affecting her 'spirituality?' I do not stop her from attending meetings, going out in field service, and reading her NWT Bible. I do not even throw away her WT's and Awake's. I give her free reign to do whatever she pleases even though I do not agree with it. Why is she not granting me the same freedom?
Gary, I used to be an MS and Elder, my family was DEEP into the witnesses - elders, PO's, Special Pioneers, etc. I have seen it all... most of my family is now OUT thanks to my persistant fact finding mission. Only my mother remains, but half hearted at best - pissing your life away and acknowledging it is too much for most people to mentally comprehend.
In all my years in, and dealing with my own shit storm, you are making a GRAVE mistake. I make no bones about it, you will either join, lose your family - if you do not join, or end up leaving your family on your own accord with a bitter sour, taste...
Yes, if your wife is barely studying I would put an immediate stop to it. I would NOT allow your daughter to go with your wife even if she still insists. They are a wicked, evil group once you REALLy get to know what is going on. Unfortunately this takes time, and most do not want to admit they pissed their life away, and so they continue half heartedly. Plus you lose all form of "wordly" friendship and after being with the JW's for some time they become your ONLY friends. Leaving them means you are in the cold, no friends, no family (at least those who are members of the JW's).
No holidays, no birthdays, no higher education, tons of wasted time studying, meetings, field service, and it only gets worse the longer a person is in, and the further they want to climb the ranks - ALL a wasted time...
Does your wife REALLY know the history of this group? Failed prophecys? I suggest that you put your foot down. You have either two choices:
If your wife is a die hard you may have to show her proof, but that is a dangerous, slippery slope, and most often than not fails. Second choice, is you bar the witnesses from showing up on your property, forbid your wife from studying with them, even in secret, and threaten the elderette who is studying with her that if she studies with your wife again you will pursue legal ramifications (that usually scares them away). Forbid your daughter from going, make your wifes life a living hell (I know it sounds sad, but if she takes the JW bullshit, line, hook, and sinker your fucked, and in retrospect you will have wished that you did put your foot down and acted a little aggressive).
These people ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS! They destroy families, and they suck you in with promises of paradise, all the while beating you up mentally that you need to do more in the service of "god". Stick with your own faith, Catholic, I believe you said. In the long run you will thank those that have warned you...
Trust me, I have no vendetta against the JW's (well my own personal betrail, thats another story). They have lots of nice people for the most part, however the organization that runs it will suck you dry, mentally, physically, emotionally, and perhaps even financially. PLEASE take my advice and LEAVE NOW, and GET YOUR WIFE OUT ASAP!!!
Oh, and for the love of GOD, burn all her JW shit - out of sight, out of mind... change your phone number, or at the very least block the number that the JW's are calling from. As Judge RutherFRAUD (very accurate name) stated if you stay in, you will either join (miserable life), if you buck the system you WILL LOSE YOUR WIFE AND DAUGHTER - THIS IS NOT BULLSHIT, BUT FACT.
One last thing Gary - open your eyes, the things you are describing is a pattern emerging that you are ALREADY losing your wife. Once she gets baptized it will get worse. If you do not join, you will always be the third wheel - an "unbelieving mate". If you finally open your eyes after this has transpired (it will be too late) and do show some resistance, you will be looked upon as lower than whale shit. The elders - those in "control" will tell your wife that due to her lack of mental, and "spiritual" security that if she decides to divorce you they will sanction it.
Post cut me off:
They will deny this now if you ask, but trust me, it is written in their "guidance" books only available to "elders". Please open your eyes before it is too late. Please do not hesitate to ask questions, I will do my best, and hopefully others too, to answer them.
-Wow, I am not sure what to say. Is it really true that the posters here have no backbone and like getting "shitted on by their jw family?" Maybe some of the other posters here can elaborate on that as I cannot speak for them.
Anyone who has family still in the KH is less likely to take a strong stance against the KH and the elders. Why? ask them. It does appear to me that I see a lot of people here take crap and disrespect from JW's that they wouldn't allow a non-JW to do to them. You have had a couple months to get assertive about your family's safety and tell the elders to take a hike. Those bible study sessions were on their terms and they can always make an uninformed person (you) look weak. Your wife has allowed the KH to take control of her mind and you have already allowed them two months to brainwash her. If you make enough trouble the elders will have to make a choice- go all out to help you wife get away from you or B- stop helping her to avoid trouble from you. If you continue on this wishy-washy course, the JW's hand will only get stronger and yours will get weaker.
It appears that the Judge has already forseen that you have stepped into JW sh*t and they are pulling you under as we speak. The KH sees you as the obstacle to getting your wife to join them and that makes you expendable, my friend.
Gary neal; I'm very serious , I have read 1000's of stories here over the last 8 years from posters that hsve let the jw's crap all over them, and never really knew what to do and just keep getting kicked. and I have seen it personnaly with my jw family and other jw's I have known for 40 years. glad you brought your daughter getting spanked at the hall . well let me tell you 40 years ago kids were getting the hell beat out of them at the halls. one time my dad beat my brother so bad at the hall. his face was all black and blue for a week, couldn't go to school etc. my mom (non jw)got so pissed at my father she wouldn't let us kids go the the k hall. well my father said no hall for the kids no grocery money. for over a month we kids would eat only at school and what ever was in the kitchen cabenit. often times eating at my grandma's eating rice or plain pasta till the cabenit was BARE. To top it off my dad would come home with one big steak or pork chops cook it for HIMSELF. and then eat it himself ,then tell us if we wanted to eat right all we needed to do was tell mommy to send us back to the hall,. you talk about SICK. ANOTHER TIME MY DAD BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF MY OTHER BROTHER BECAUSE because some sister said my brother hit her son in school the little angel. well a week or 2 later my mother showed up at the k hall and dragged this sister out of her seat and started kicking her ass right in the aisle it took my dad and a few other men to get my mom off of her. that was the last time she ever said a word about any of us kids. I don't know if you get the point of this ,but the jw's try to break you will and the will of children. none of my mothers kids ever became jw's thanks to my mom . because she cursed them at every turn and called them false prophets etc. that's all I heard growing up mom and dad fighting over the wts. that can be your family TOO... I would put a complete stop to your daughter going to the hall and any jw book studies etc. I would forbid them in my house, and from talking with my children. In fact my dad is forbidden to talk to my children and everytime he didn't listen to my wishes I caused him more touble with the jw's than I'm willing to post. at the fisrt few book studies the jw's have with a new person , they use the line to "test your religion and see if they are telling yout the truth and being honest with you " in the" truth that leads to etenal life" book pg 13 1968 well try testing the history of the wt and jw's go crazy. if I was you I would start with "CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE" RAYMOND FRANZ BOOK AND GO INTO FREEMINDS.ORG WEBSITE AND LOOK UP THE FALSE PROPHECY PAGE there is enough there to make any jw look like a spritual drunkard in 5 minutes also look up JW RESEARCH IN GOOGLE IT'S KEN RAINES SITE SDOMETHING LIKE SEANET.COM. YOUR EYES WILL BE OPENED LIKE NEVER BEFORE. be smart take your daughter to the park, sking, zoo, circus, library, movie, city dump anywhere every time there is a jw meeting. and make you wife learn the wt history. before it's to late. wishing you well .
Judge rutherFRAUD..
Paragraphs dude.. paragraphs.. learn what they are, what they are for, and FFS USE THE DAMN THINGS! I'm sick of trying to wade through your interminable posts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph
Sorry Gary.. back to your story..
Gary, remember the Witnesses have taught your wife that you will probably oppose her progress in "The Truth". They always get that in there so that once a person is on the path to brainwashing, any words of reason directed at them will be seen as persecution. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
It would be best to try and get her thinking. Use the information you have found here to counter-act the misinformation she is getting through her study. Keep reading here, get a handle on the circular reasoning they use to indoctrinate people.
About the child who is involved, do whatever is in your power to keep them from getting to her. I was born into this religion and it seriously affected my life for the bad. My Dad was a "non-believer" like you, but he did not stop Mom from taking me to all the meetings, field service, and indoctrinating me. He didnt realize the harm, thought it was just another religion.
Read about how us born-ins have been harmed by being raised to believe God was going to kill everybody who wasn't a baptised Witness, including the kids at school--even the nice ones.
My worst memory is thinking that my Dad would die because he had no interest in the Witnesses. Being a small child, even into adulthood, I loved my Dad more than anyone else in the world (still do). It was terrifying to think that he would be killed in a horrible manner the way Armageddon is depicted. Everytime a "special report" would break in on television, I would have a panic attack---just didn't realize what they were yet, I was too young to understand it.
My two cents.
I was rereading some of these posts and I was looking at Judge RutherFRAUD's post again (along with Dinah's and Moshe's). Personally, I do find myself in a bit of a dilemma. Frankly, if I had my way, I would have nothing more to do with the witnesses. However, as long as my wife is in the cult, it will always be a part of my life.
I checked out freeminds.org sometime back around June of this year. As I was reading through the stories, it broke my heart to see what people had to endure in 'God's organization.' Since my wife had a fairly 'normal' childhood under the witness religion, she does not see how treacherous this religion can be. While I believe she has a good head on her shoulders, I also know that when she gets in DUB mode all reasoning and logic go right out the window.
She was at the meeting yesterday and one of the 'sisters' invited her to some kind of get together. My wife asked if I can join them and her response was, "Well, we have only a limited amount of space." My wife told me about it and said that she felt that she could not go if there was no room for me. I told her that I was glad she considered me and told her that the people at 'my' church are telling me that she is more than welcomed to come visit the church or go to one of its functions. I told her about one of the regular get togethers that they do is meet at various people's houses for fun and games and overall good times. She said that as long as it did not involve religious topics, she was game for going. Therefore, I am going to look into when they are having their next gathering and ask if we can attend.
