Logistical problems of the new system...

by highdose 42 Replies latest jw friends

  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free

    I used to wonder what would happen when we would no longer eat meat, and neither would the animals. I envisioned animal populations exploding out of control, the sky black with insects because nothing was eating them anymore. They would eat all the vegetation down to stubble. Topsoil would be eroded away. Eventually everything would have to die off just because the watchtower doesn't want any creature to be eaten.

    The "new system" according to the watchtower would be an ecological nightmare.

    W

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    There are more serious problems than physical health issues. Jehovah is said to be ready to take care of, or prevent, physical health issues in the New Dark Ages. Teeth that will not break, having forever to travel, and the like are all answers coming from the witlesses.

    But, there are other issues aside the totally unbearable stagnation and tyranny that will be found there. For one thing, all the people that are educated will get destroyed. So, who is going to develop the infrastructure so people can get around? Those houses need to be designed--they are not going to just build themselves. Someone is going to have to move the materials to the building site (again, they are not going to just walk to the building site). Someone is going to have to design tools to build it. You might be able to do without locks on the doors, and they claim that Jehovah will prevent it from getting excessively hot, cold, wet, and/or windy. However, one still needs appliances if one is going to prepare food.

    And, even given that crop failures are now impossible, how are they going to get crops to distant areas? We know that chocolate, coconut, palms, bananas, oranges, apples, nuts, and mangoes all grow in different areas of the world. You could not grow oranges and bananas together because oranges need cooler weather than bananas (and they need it dryer). Most tree nuts grow in temperate areas (Brazil nuts are the exception), while the chocolate that usually goes with them grow in the tropics. Coffee also grows in the tropical latitudes, at high altitudes--making transportation a nightmare.

    Or, perhaps we all eat locally grown food? That means no chocolate, coffee, coconut, bananas, mangoes, Brazil nuts, or palm oil if you are in the temperate areas. (And no pineapples.) If you are in the tropics, it means no walnuts, peaches, pecans, apples, or any other fruits that grow in the temperate areas. And, if you are in the off-season in your area, you are out of luck. One could not survive until the harvest season unless one has some means to store and transport food out of the local area, and all those with that ability will have been destroyed.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    (Continued, due to cutting off issues)

    How would the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger keep check of people without modern communications? Fear. They claim that Jehovah is watching, ready to destroy anyone in a yoctosecond if they so much as think of disobeying. In theory, they watched billions die at Armageddon, they watched people die after the Final Test, and that would be enough to keep them in line.

    Accidents such as walking off a cliff are not supposed to happen to perfect people.

  • TD
    TD

    I've looked at the pictures of paradise in JW publications and wondered how they think they're actually going to build cozy little gabled, shingled, lapsided, wood frame houses tastefully situated in front of mountain lakes without a hint of technology?

    It shows an unbelievable naivete about how technology works and the way in which society must be structured around it. It's certainly possible to build a house like JW artists draw in their pictures of paradise using only hand tools, but where do those hand tools come from? A pencil, for example is one of the simplest of tools, but could any one of us make one?

    Would you mine your own copper; smelt it; hot roll it into billets; cold roll the billets it into sheets; mill it; pressure form it into a tube; cut it; and perforate it to make the little band that holds the eraser?

    Would you grow your own rubber trees; harvest the latex; vulcanize it; pressure roll the rubber into sheets and stamp it into little cylinders to make the eraser?

    Would you mine your own graphite; process it; powderize it; mix the powder with clay; form it into rods and hot sinter the amalgam in a kiln to make the lead?

    Would you harvest your own trees; strip the limbs; steam off the bark; square the log into a flitch; let it dry for months; and then saw the flitch into usable lumber?

    Would you run your own machines to form the processed lumber into a pencil shape; insert the graphite core; crimp the copper band onto the end and then crimp the eraser on?

    The truth is, almost any manufactured product you lay your eyes on is really "sitting" on top of a very large pyramid of other technologies. And it is this huge network of technologies along with the infrastructure to support them (e.g. railroads, mines, power plants etc.) that make the world we live in the very thing that JW's seem to detest ---A society based on a division of labor where the vast majority live in cities and work for others.

    Without that, you don't have cozy little gabled, shingled, lapsided, wood frame houses. You don't nice brick houses either. You don't even have log cabins. You're down to the level of mud huts with a thatched roofs.

  • JWoods
    JWoods

    In 2004, the Air Force spent $25,000 for research to examine possible ways to teleport humans and objects through space. Physicist Eric W. Davis reported his findings in " Teleportation Physics Study ."

    Well, if they can get this done for $25K then that would be the bargain Government Contract of the known universe.

  • aSphereisnotaCircle
    aSphereisnotaCircle

    The truth is, almost any manufactured product you lay your eyes on is really "sitting" on top of a very large pyramid of other technologies. And it is this huge network of technologies along with the infrastructure to support them (e.g. railroads, mines, power plants etc.) that make the world we live in the very thing that JW's seem to detest ---

    yes yes TD, that is all true, but check out the earlier post.

    Jah will probably use something "highly scientific" MAYBE EVEN ANTI MATTER!

    You can crank out pencils with antimatter easy as pie!

  • TD
    TD
    Jah will probably use something "highly scientific" MAYBE EVEN ANTI MATTER!

    Yeah, I always suspected that the babbling about anti-matter and the claim that human consciousness was divided into a purely logical and purely emotional side in the late 60's and early 70's was the result of JW leaders secretly watching the original Star Trek.

  • joelingeorgia
    joelingeorgia

    people will live in small communities and walk wherever they want to go

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Anti-matter the solution to all of life's problems.

  • undercover
    undercover

    I used to wonder about technology. Since we rely on fossil fuels so much it was assumed that we would no longer have planes, trains or automobiles...which was distressing to my young self who was waiting anxiously to get my first car.

    But I remember talks at assemblies and from visiting COs who used to embellish the possibilities of life in the 'new system'. I remember them saying that since we would be growing to perfection that we would, with Jehovah's blessing and help, create better sources of energy and that all the technological advances of the 20th century would pale in comparison to the things learned then.

    It was even hinted at that when the earth was full, we would venture into space. Being a kid at the time, I didn't know about the Mormon's prior claims to other planets so I never got to fantasize about an interstellar war between JWs and Mormons. Wouldn't that be something - would we be the Rebel Alliance or the Empire?

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