Logistical problems of the new system... (page 4)

dudeson

"We'll just have to leave it in Uncle Jehovah's hands."

I hope he resurrects dinosaurs. The vultures could use the extra help.

The Almighty Homer

Idealogical mysticism isn't rational, but it does have its commercial potential and possibilities..

Although both the JWs and many pro-communist liberal thinkers hate it, the "green revolution" probably kept many millions of third world residents from starving to death in the 1960s and 1970s, and this is not possible without the industrial world of modern fertilizers, pesticides, and farm machinery. (note - the JWs hated it because it potentially diminished their sick hopes for famines to prove the time of the end - liberals and communist sympathisers of the day hated it because it had the potential to feed hungry third world people and thus reduce their enthusiasm for communist revolutions).

First the enhanced (till we run out of natural gas and its substitutes) productivity of these crops were geared for export sales to raise government revenues and increase meat production for the upper class. If the poor get anything it is an increase in numbers perpetuating their poverty.

Second, modern fertilizers are made of natural gas which will like every thing run out, and run out quickly (decades or a few centuries). Permaculture with the recycling of everything that came out of the land back into the land is the only solution for sustaining populations into the far future. Permaculture requires only gardening tools, and hardly any heavy machinery.

Third, famines. Humanity has cheated that apocalyptic horse for the time being. Nevertheless, as a result of destructive farming they will eventually return, and return with a vengeance.

Fourth, your demonization of liberals and making those ridiculous claims shows that you are one sick puppy.

SirNose586

I remember asking the same thing about cars and transportation, because cars pollute and certainly there'd be none of that. The answer I got was that since there was no concern for time anymore, it didn't matter if it took months to get to your friend's house, since you all lived forever anyway...

cameo-d

toxic wasteland..... And so the next step in mans evolution will be an artificial body capable of withstanding such toxins. And a programmable brain so that man stays calm, focused, and useful to the System.

dgp

Guys, since we're talking about this, let me say that it's not only after Armageddon that the perfect JW society would not be able to stand on its own feet. It can't do it now. I wonder how it can be that the society teaches to despise the worldlies, yet it is very clear that it needs us: for converts, as pet peeves, to get the paper on which they will print their magazines, to get the printing machines, to make cars, et cetera. JW society can't exist on its own. If the rest of the world died, the JWs wouldn't survive. I wonder how it can be that JWs despise the worldlies but go to a cinema to watch movies made by wordlies about worldlies, for example.

This point should be so obvious that, in my humble opinion, more than one JW should leave the religion on this basis alone (not trying to hurt anyone).

Gerard

I applaud everyone's imagination, I think this is the most interesting thread in a very long time. But since independent thinking will still be frowned upon, you will be limited to dragging the bodies out of the house of your choice, burning them (why dig a pit?) and wait for Jehovah to provide you with a Mexican orderly with your groceries new release DVDs and beer. So you might expect your pet lion (or tiger if you wish) to occasionally indulge in ingesting an occasional Mexican delivering your vegan supplies, an entirely valid course of action for such non-baptised and "worldly" animal such as a giant cat.

The scarcity of hispanic orderlies will eventually provoke the creation of local communities for mutual support and soon, competition between neighboring -and competing- settlements will arise for available resources. Conflicts will arise, inmorlities will be commited, which will prompt the emergence of a few mesiahs anouncing hope for a change into the New System Version 1.2 in which you will be required to shun unbelievers of your faith, including fish-eating Lions, dog-loving people, teeth-brushers, poets, architects, onion addicts and hand washers. An iron-depleated vegetarian man in in his way of losing his marbles, will lament the absence of god, write the Elbib (reverse of the Bible) in which he will invoke the blasphemous act of self-mutilation, today referred to as trimming your nails. True believers will be distinguished by long, yellow, crusty unkept finger nails, but their inability to use their hands while grasing on the green praries will lead to famine. The lucky ones will be reduced to minced meat by their pet lions, who -understandingbly- will be hurt by your sharp finger nail petting, will be pissed off and will devour you. The new religious cult will eventually collapse under its own weght and self-limitations. Peple will trim their nails, shoo the lions away, eat fish, brush their teeth, build their own shelters, grow their food and some will even apply nail polish, and in dong so, they will displease Jeehover so that he will condemn humanity to life on Earth as their forefathers did. To the man he will say:

'Because you have done this you are cursed and will have to brew yer own beer.' (Gen. 3:14)

To the woman He will say: 'I shall give you great labor at home, no vcuum cleaner or laundry machines will be invented in 6000 years, the chocolate that you have grown to love so much will make you fat. You will desire your husband, but he will be your master.' (Gen. 3:16)

And to the man He said: 'Because you have listened to your wife and have gone shoe-shopping on Sunday as I forbade you, on your account the earth will be cursed. You will get your food from it only by labour all the days of your life; No more slave laborers feeding you! You will pay mortgage on the house you took, and only by the sweat of your brow will you win your beer until you canvas the sector 12B monthly and bring the contributions to the old man with the lose marbles. Dust you are, to dust you will return.' (Gen. 3:17-19)

So god drove Adam and Evan out of paradise and settled them to the east of the white House. He stationed the cherubim to guard the way to the Budweiser brewery of life and regularly check their service card. (Gen. 3:20-24)

Adam will ask Evan: 'Dude, have we been here before?"

'Dude, I think that history is repeating itself....'

HappyGuy

Here's another problem.

Since it is a 1,000 year reign before Satan is let loose "for a little while" so that everyone who lived through the big A and the 1,000 years of "blissful" life with no conveniences and chemical, biological, and nuclear hazards everywhere can bet tested to see if they REALLY love God or was this all just a charade. But I digress. That means that sickness and death are done away with.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO, what happens to those who are resurrected and say "hmmm, I get to do only what a bunch of old smart aleck elders and ministerial servants TELL me to do? NO THANK YOU, I'm going to go off and do my own thing". And that 'own thing' includes robbing, pillaging, looting, killing, raping, and sleeping in on Sundays.

Then what? There is no death, no one can die until the second death after the 1,000 years is over and the "little while" that Satan is let loose.

How do you deal with rascals? Will there be an army? Police? Jails?

ziddina

dgp - GOOOOOD points, man...

Lot of good points = and funny scenarios = on this thread... Though I've gotta be a bit of a 'sadist' to think some of the darker ones are 'funny'...

Never afraid to go to the 'dark side'... Zid

processor

Russell considered electricity as the means by which Jehovah will bring the blessings of the New System. He viewed things like trains, light bulbs and radio as a foretaste of the new system.

However, the current "official" view is IMHO that all people will live as farmers. Just look at the various pictures of paradise in the publications: Have you ever seen a car, a train, a plane, an electrical outlet, a cup of coffee, a computer or a telephone?

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