VERY DEEP QUESTIONS for elect/annointed/those with insight/holy spirit/etc

by EndofMysteries 42 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Larsinger58
    Larsinger58

    Again, for some inside "anointed" stuff, knowing the GB is reading this and they had me followed.

    Luke 16v26 "And besides all these things, a great chasm has been fixed between us and you pepole, so that those wanting to go over from here to you people cannot, neither may people cross over from there to us."

    Now this addresses the messiah being part of the secret banquet. In the parable of the prodigal son, who is the messiah and has the banquet, the older brother does not enter. So there are two groups of anointed, those in the banquet and those outside the banquet. Let's just generally say these are the secret vs the public anointed ones.

    In Revelation, the secret ones are hidden in the wilderness, represented by the woman, but Satan does war with the "remaining ones of her seed" which apparently he has access to, that is, the "older brother" public anointed.

    The the technical way in which one cannot cross over to the other, again, has to do with what is required to be a secret member and the JIOR. So Jehovah lets them break laws and moral codes to carry out what they need to. So it's hard for one of them, say who is undercover and living in common law marriage with some celebrator of Christmas to say, "Here! The Lord has come, join me!" Because they can't.

    Now while under no law, sure they can commit fornication or adultery or homosexuality or any of those personal sins and God ignores it, but God also sometimes requires just so it is clear that they are 100% dependent upon Jehovah's judgment and not any deeds. So any personal ideas of self-righteousness are removed.

    But think of the conceptual side effect of this. If all the elect say are required to commit fornication once to prove their dependence on Jehovah, it also means they can't condemn any of their fellow brothers of being sinful. So in a way, it removes the imperfect concept of self righteousness, which we all develop.

    But it also means you have to keep your mouth shut about being in the kingdom. You want to preach about it and help people, but once they find out you are leading a sinful life and celebrating Christmas or any number of things, then how can you recommend the truth? You can't!

    You know?

    The Rich Man wants Lazarus to take over and be the messiah and run the WTS. But God has prevented it, even if he wants to. He can't take over and say, "Oh, yeah, I did have sex with a man last night but God ordered me to." It doesn't work. So they just have to let this situation play out as God has arranged. In the meantime, though, there is no temptation since even if they did get tempted it's not a sin, because they are not under law.

    Now this is the ADVANCED spiritual side of things. The reality. Something most will never be able to deal with, thus the "chasm" between the spiritual and the fleshly, the public vs the private organization. And ths is for the GB who by now, clearly know who the messiah is.

    LS

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    Hey Lars, I think you and EOM need to get a room and be all spiritual with each other. I will give you two privacy.

    And by the way, thanks for demonstrating how not to hijack a thread.....

  • finallysomepride
    finallysomepride

    riturfos

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    "riturfos"

    What that mean?

  • restrangled
    restrangled

    I don't care how you sell it. If you are serious about the anointed....they won't be posting here.

    Even though I'm out, there were several very old family members that considered themselves of the anointed. And you know what, I believed them. Their behavior seemed to be angelic, they were the dearest people you would ever want to meet.

    When I was 10, my cousin had an 85 year old grandma, who was part of the anointed. She helped us pick raspberries, and made rhubarb pies. ....She had no attitude, and was the sweetest woman you would ever want to meet. Her mother is now in her 90's

    I had an uncle of the same, he reminds me of Coco. ....I won't go into details of his history, but he was thrown out during the big 80's fiasco in Brooklyn, or what ever year that was.

    Who is to say he still is not part of the anointed....certainly not me, or any human member.

    I guess I haven't let go of the 144,000 idea, ....being raised in this runs deep, but I will say, I don't believe in any newbies.

    The circus will eventually play out.

    r.

  • Chalam
    Chalam

    Hi EOM,

    Here goes with the answers

    1. God's Kingdom and the return of it, have you seen it described as literal, with a literal temple on earth with literal waters and trees of life, also the temple described as being inside of you with waters inside of you, and also as a heavenly kingdom which either rules from heaven or comes to earth with waters and trees of life (either real or symbolically), have you concluded what all of them mean and which is true or how all descriptions may relate to eachother from the supposed difference.

    The Kingdom is both spiritual and physical, symbolic and literal.

    To get an example of what I am say, see this verse Revelation 1:20

    The Kingdom has been forcibly advancing since the days of John the baptiser Matthew 11:12

    The Kingdom is with us (believers in Christ) Ezekiel 37:14 John 14:16-18 and also in our midst Matthew 18:20 1 Peter 2:5

    The Kingdom is where Jesus is Lord, He is the King of Kings and King of the Kingdom Luke 1:32-33 Isaiah 9:6-7

    Thus, you find Jesus at the midst of the throne of God Revelation 7:17

    2. Have you come upon the paradox of knowledge vs faith, in which more knowledge could mean condemnation vs ignorance. Is knowledge only for elect and non elect are better off without it or is full knowledge to be broadcast to all.

    Indeed Matthew 13:11

    3. "Get out of her my people if you do not want to share in her sins" - "I am sending you as sheep amidst wolves, to be cautious as servants yet innocent as doves" - how do you take the two statements to relate, have you solved this paradox, currently working on it, or have no idea what I'm talking about?

    You need to know who she is first Revelation 18:4

    Does this verse Matthew 10:16 have any direct reference to the whore mentioned in Rev 18? Has she "come to pass yet" or are we still waiting for her appearance? OK, the most important thing you need top know about the Kingdom is this John 3:3 Blessings, Stephen
  • finallysomepride
    finallysomepride

    riturfos

    It's my disdain for any one who thinks they elect/annointed/those with insight/holyspirit yada yada yada 144000

    means: really! I think U R full of shit

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    Thanks for clearing that up for me

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    Asking these questions out of the blue, without having read and gone through the research prior to it will not make any sense whatsoever. If somebody asked me any of these 3 months ago, prior to my point of research at this point, I would not understand them either. That's why for this particular thread, had said if you haven't studied this, you wouldn't understand or be able to answer. In the future you may run into this and then know what I'm talking about.

    To Alltimejeff - I don't see how you relate any of these questions to lonliness or confusion. They ARE confusing questions, especially if not knowing the progression of reading, study, and scriptures which brings up the questions. That is why I made the statement I did at the beginning, I don't know any other way of putting it, but if you haven't studied this topic yet, you won't understand it. Can you be more specific on your conclusions about me, and also on what you think I will change? (you must have an idea of what I already am, and what I will change into, to make that statement)

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    Larsinger58 - I more specifically was referring to "the temple". There is an answer that makes sense though. The temple being a literal place on earth, being inside you, and in heaven, all relating to the future, not the past (ancient jurusalem).

    Question Larsinger58 - Revelation 21:8 - can you explain what that scripture means?

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