VERY DEEP QUESTIONS for elect/annointed/those with insight/holy spirit/etc

by EndofMysteries 42 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff
    Can you be more specific on your conclusions about me, and also on what you think I will change? (you must have an idea of what I already am, and what I will change into, to make that statement)

    I have no conclusions to base on you other then what you write, which goes for all of us. As this is a public forum centered around JW's and former JW's, unless we try to meet, that is all any of us can do. Do I think you can or will change? I believe you will. Will it be your thinking? Will you become more open or close minded? Those are questions all of us will answer with the decisions we make in our lives.

    What drew me to your posts are some questions you have raised. If you only want people who claim a certain understanding or study as you claim to have undertaken, so be it. This statement by you was what caused me to talk to you as I did.

    If you have no idea what I'm talking about, then question doesn't apply to you as I feel it's information that is only understood at the right time and to those allowed to get understanding of it.

    I have no desire to debate you or otherwise argue with you. If you feel that this "understanding" is a timing issue in people's lives, that is a theory others hold to as well. But the fact you refer to this understanding as something some are "allowed" to get while others are not allowed is troublesome.

    It was with this idea that you EOM may be allowed to understand while others aren't that caused me to address you as I have. I am sure you are well aware that there are tens of thousands, millions perhaps, who feel god talks with them, grants them understandings, so on and so forth. As an active member of this forum, I was hinting at the possibility that you will realize that understanding is not linked to what one is allowed to learn, but instead, to what they are willing to investigate, and to be honest about the facts that are found.

    There are those who feel that god must deal with a small people exclusively. They are sick of this world. It is crooked, evil, and beyond repair to them. They pray for god to destroy all of them. They are convinced that god must see things as they do, that as god is righteous, so must we be. That god has revelations to show, but to only those small few "allowed" to do so.

    I have had my fill of such mental filth. I came from a group where the leadership claimed exactly that. You don't even qualify as a religion or a prophet. You ask mysterious questions, implying class distinctions, and then hope to ward off those who would point out that at best, you are a mysterioius internet poster who isn't even able to make himself clear?

    Good answers only come with good questions. I hope you are able to improve. To me, it sounds like you believe in a whole bunch of items that are not proveable. To that, I can only say it can only be good enough for you. I am on the record to say that I disagree with your premise. Your answer can't be correct when the question is wrong in the first place.

    I will not rain on your parade anymore, other then to encourage you to be intellectually honest, and to say that I hope your beliefs and questionings are with the end goal of making you a better person and neighbor, instead of trying to make yourself feel better and superior to others whom you evidentally disdain.

  • Lillith26
    Lillith26

    EOM- did your research take you as far as John 21:25 ? why lay all your hope on one book, when what you seek would fill more than this world could contain???

    A master is not above his servant... John 13:1-17

    You would do well here to not think yourself above anyone else here on this board!

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    "You ask mysterious questions, implying class distinctions, and then hope to ward off those who would point out that at best, you are a mysterioius internet poster who isn't even able to make himself clear?"

    I'm so glad we have posters here who can clearly express the same sentiments I have.

    Thank you Jeff.

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    Thanks Mrs Jones. Of course, I still need to check my spelling. I can never spell evidently right. Evidently, I have a problem. What a knob head..... Maybe I am not allowed to spell it correctly till I am ready....

  • TMS
    TMS

    EOM,

    Without addressing or wrapping my feeble mind around the great truths revealed to you, I will anticipate how various segments of society might describe your bearing and point of view.

    1. Young people will describe you as "fake-deep".

    2. The blue collar crowd will view you as a "full-of-yourself know-it-all".

    3. Mental health professionals will use the word "delusional" in their description of your mental state.

    4. Veteran JWD posters will view you as a condescending Bible thumper and waste of time.

    tms

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    Alltimejeff - I'll post some scriptures to respond to your last post, as these scriptures and subject should be black and white and easy for all to understand.

    To address 2 things you mentioned, 1st is that, "anybody" can get understanding.

    Matt 13:10-11 - Disciples ask Jesus why he speaks in parables instead of saying things black and white that all can understand, Jesus responds, "because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of the heavens, but to them it has not been given."

    13:35 - "I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world"

    Matt 16:17 - blessed are you, simon Bar-Johnah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

    Matt 11:25 - I thank you Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.

    All of this is not to say that anyone is unable to get understanding. The scriptures also speak of a time when spirit is poured out on all, and also Jesus said those who ask the heavenly father for spiritual food he would give, and also in James it's written asking for Godly wisdom.

    There are things that will for sure prevent one from getting it. For one, God is a reader of hearts, and will know your true intentions, even if you do not. He also will know the right time, if the current time isn't correct. James shows that if you ask, and have ANY doubts, your better off not asking, because you wont' get it. If your asking for holy spirit, but will reject anything that contradicts or goes against what you've believed, most likely will end there. It's not an easy road to seek out the truth like fine treasure and pearls, to give your life for it, to sacrifice everything. If you find on the path you may have to sell all your possession, to give up most of your life, at what point will you draw the line.

    Those getting any insight also may have done NOTHING to deserve it. Remember the apostle Paul. But he took his correction and changed himself. Some may have to really seek it out, some God may choose for his own glory and have snatched them. But the point it, based on scripture, NOT everyone, NOT anyone, will get it and understand it, nor are allowed, only whom God and Jesus choose.

    As for the timing of the information, although worldwide many may be on the same subjects or getting there, such as like an act of God. Everytime an understanding changes, even 1 slight detail, it may change or clarify the meaning of countless scriptures, so that having to rego over them, and more correct understanding brings forth more light. One can't understand calculus before learning addition and subtraction.

    Some of my questions are for current things I'm working on, and some are to find any on the same page in that category to compare notes. I don't ask my questions so that anyone can answer or understand them, only if any have happened to go through the same topic already in their personal studies, it does not mean they are not privy to it on their own or never will be, but at the least they haven't done it yet, either their own choosing by letting other matters of their life take priority or not at that point yet. Based on what you can see in those above posted scriptures, I am very careful in what I publish for all to see, so as not to overstep and announce knowledge God may want to remain hidden for the time being or that somebody with bad intentions uses the information

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    Yeah, #4 sounds about right

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    While I think a contextual reading of the scriptures you refer to EOM are important (and Jesus was referring to the Pharisees of his day) it should be noted that down to this day, those words attributed to him are so nonsensical that no one can exactly pin it down.

    So, one can choose to believe that its a great spiritual mystery as you do, or...

    One can believe that this is further evidence that the bible is a work written by men, for men, (and I leave out women for a reason, because they were excluded) and that to try to attach significance to a book that doesn't demand it is a waste of time.

    I am well aware of Jesus words here. I would also point out that you apply them exactly like the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. Good luck with that.

    And since you said the following

    Based on what you can see in those above posted scriptures, I am very careful in what I publish for all to see, so as not to overstep and announce knowledge God may want to remain hidden for the time being or that somebody with bad intentions uses the information

    I will let your words cook in their own grease. You show yourself to be a fringe thinker, and not one worthy of general interest. To come to an internet forum to find or publish special information? C'mon dude. God can do better then you.

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    Alltimejeff - I am not publishing special information. I have not published anything I've come to understand, with all the scriptures backing it up, at this point of time. There is one thing I will do, just so any reading this will know I am for real. This has never to my knowledge been published in any WT articles or anything, and what I'll mention here is just enough to show but won't get anyone anywhere unless they get more on their own.

    Revelation's Babylon the Great - Revelation Chap 18 gives a lot of details of Babylon the Great, where nations and kings of the earth commited fornication with her, and the merchants of the world became rich because of her, and at her destruction. In Revelation 18:10 - the kings of the earth "stand at a distance for fear of her torment". Then the merchants are weeping over her, in Rev 18:15, 19, alas alas that great city which had ships on the sea become rich by her, what is like this great city".

    Do you know where else there are prophecies about Babylon the Great? Do you know other ways to identify Babylon the Great?

    The ancient city of Tyre IS/Represents Babylon the great as well. The prophesy is identical. The prophecy of Tyre was to give insight of it's future fulfillment at the end days.

    Ez chap 26:16 matches Rev 18:10 - the princes come off their robes, remove their 'embroidered' garments (to disguise themselves) and clothe themselves with trembling. (they are fearful of sharing in her judgement)

    Ez 27:32 matches Rev 18:19 comparing the whole context of those chapters, you'll see how they are identical.

    Now if you look up the history of Tyre, you'll see how it's ancient destruction occured. Also in Ez, you'll see how quite a bit of what was mentioned against it, was referring to the end of days and it's modern counterpart, Babylon the Great.

    At this point, some may wonder, well, the USA sure matches all of the characteristics of Tyre, importing, the worldwise hub of trade, the worlds seafaring merchants getting rich off her, so could the USA be soon destined for the fate of Tyre? But then, how could it be guilty of the blood of the prophets(long before it became a country) and misleading the entire earth?

    But no need to worry or figure all of that out Jeff, it's "only a book of man"

  • besty
    besty

    Salvia and reality can be a heady mix.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum

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