If theres no God why the earth, the brain the universe? (Atheist and Agnostics)

cyberjesus

(This question is directed to all the Atheist and Agnostics in the Forum only)

I like most of the people here believed in a God who created us and the earth. It was easy to explain the reason on many things like the degrees of inclination of the earth, the existance of water in our planet, the existance of an atmosphere, they joy in all the senses, the clear superiority of the human beens versus all other animals, the posesion of a brain who attempts to explain itself. The extreme pleasure of intercourse, etc etc.

There are many things that makes me believe of a superior creature rather than random accidents that created all of the factors that seem to go against all logic.

I personally do not believe in the Bible as Gods word, nor I am sure of the existance of a monotheist God. I have no clue at this point. But then again I am a new Agnostic. However I struggle with the fact that all of the wonderfull and very precise factors existing in our world might be a product of random events. To me, design or purpose is apparent.

What do you have to say (those of you who dont believe in God or are not certain)

sir82

There are many things that makes me believe of a superior creature rather than random accidents that created all of the factors that seem to go against all logic.

Well there's your problem right there. False dilemma.

You think there's only 2 possibilities:

1) God created everything

or

2) Everything that exists is the result of "random accidents"

Take a little time to read a physics / biology / evolution book. Within minutes you should figure out there are more than just those 2 possibilities.

Olin Moyles Ghost

If there is a "God" who is intelligent and powerful enough to create our Universe, who created that "God"?

leavingwt

I don't know.

I can think of all sorts of fairy tale explanations, but what would be the point?

VoidEater

To me, design or purpose is apparent.

For me, design or purpose is a figment of man's imagination.

To come to the conclusion that everything was "created by God", I think you must first have that as a preconception. It's just reading a highly human-centered view of things onto the universe.

I agree with you about all the "little details" - the inclination of the Earth is "just so", sensuality is amazing, etc. - but the conclusion I reach isn't "therefore, everything was created"; rather, my conclusion is that "if it were different, it wouldn't be the same." That's all.

If the Earth had a higher ambient radiation, or temperature, or ______, then we'd be different - and probably asking the very same questions, making the very same observations, about how things "are". It's kinda like being amazed that God created English, and how nothing would be the same without English - then you discover people speak French, and German, and...

With the intense pleasure of eating, or sex, or what-not, life would be less successful. That life is successful shows that the mechanisms in place work. We are here because of the mechanisms - it's not the mechanisms are here because we're so great.

The one thing I disagree with is the supposed superiority of man. Man is successful at modifying his environment, but I don't attach much to that beyond his ability to reproduce like rabbits (and, given the right environments, rabbits are so much more successful). Man doesn't live well at the bottom of the ocean where other species are clearly superior, in the frozen tundra, etc. This view of the superiority of man, again, is highly anthropomorphic - it's a biased view that humans must be the best based on being a human. The "supriority" needs to be defined a little.

My cat is morally superior to many humans I know. He's also superior at taking care of himself, finding food, getting along with others...

cyberjesus

Ok so what is the most worldwide explanation of how we, the earth and the universe came to exist? Any suggested readings? Links? I question you who had asked the question before and had reach some kind of conclussion.

dudeson

My stand is the same as leaving's...I don't know either. Watch this and see what you think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg

cyberjesus

Or why is that there is only one planet on the Galaxy that has life? why the earth only and not other planets? why only one kind of humans and not other kinds or human-kinds or similar creatures? If we got to this point by evolution, and if we evolve due to necessity why not other sub-humans or less developped species? why such a jump?

I have so many questions that I want to solve. I am convinced that YHWH is not more real than mickey mouse. But I go back to square zero :-( Actually mickey mouse has a face and a home and a creator

Farkel

:Actually mickey mouse has a face and a home and a creator

Are you talking about the cartoon character or defining the quality of your argument?

Farkel

frankiespeakin

I won't spend a lot of time typing the answer to this question but can offer some interesting vids that do not run on speculation but what the evidence really is and you can watch them to see if you can get it I do and a lot here do and you might.

Lets face it belief in a god that can not be proven to answer the questions about where did the brain or universe come from is not a very satisfying answer because it stops further inquiry and basically says it's MAGIC.

The String theory M looks like the best candidate for giving and explanation of what happened before the big bang basically from what I understand is that the big bang was caused by a quantum fluctuation which happen all the time and that's why many Scientist believe that their are an infinite number of universes some like ours and others infinitely different parallel universe

the history of our universe made easy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uihNu9Icaeo&feature=PlayList&p=74147036F84B5F94&index=0&playnext=1

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMQk6MveZOE&feature=PlayList&p=74147036F84B5F94&index=1

Origin of live made easy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8nYTJf62sE&feature=PlayList&p=74147036F84B5F94&index=3

The story of the earth made easy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN8XXaDrK4A&feature=PlayList&p=74147036F84B5F94&index=4

The age of our world made easy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5369-OobM4&feature=PlayList&p=74147036F84B5F94&index=5

Natural selection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_RXX7pntr8&feature=PlayList&p=74147036F84B5F94&index=6