What does it change really.....

by flower 30 Replies latest jw experiences

  • teenyuck
    teenyuck

    Flower,

    You could be reciting my thoughts. However, I have decided that even though I feel worthless, I look at what I have accomplished. (not much, but something) I also got on Zoloft (similar to Prozac). It is helping. I do need to get counseling. I know that. However, I made the first step my acknowledging it. So did you.

    You are not worthless. You are important. Please look in the mirror and tell yourself you are beautiful. No matter what you believe about God, your being born was for a reason. Your son needs you.

    Please realize that there are people who love you.

    Hugs and more hugs,

    puffs

    "I used to be Snow White, then I drifted." Mae West

  • Lindy
    Lindy

    Flower,
    The changes that leaving the Society that you acquire are up to you. You bring back a lot of what I used to feel like and the other posters have given you some fine words of encouragement. I am 53 years old. My whole life was very similar to yours before and how you feel now. Many of us used to be in your shoes. I always felt that I was never good enough. I felt that I was worthless and life could go on just fine without me and maybe even better without me. Over the years the indoctrination of the Society since I was 8 years old was working fine on me. I pioneered, I answered at all the meetings, had Bible studies, studied for all meetings, taught my children all that I was supposed to and all the rest. But it was never enough. The society and the Elders were never happy. You should do more, study more, pray more etc. I was depressed and my life was a mess. I thought of ending my life often. Over time I still had doubts but according to the Society, those doubts were my fault. How convenient for them; blame the flock and not the leaders. I figured that I would never get into the new system no matter what I did. I sinned so many times. I was “forgiven” and moved on and kept trying harder
    But the doubts were piling up higher and higher. Depression was deeper. This went on with me for some 40+ years. Then my Mother died. But before she died, a faithful women of many, many years, was virtually deserted in her greatest hour of need. She was dying from cancer. Although a loyal old lady, she was highly neglected by the congregation. Why? Because the remodeling of the Kingdom Hall coincided with her dying. The elders didn’t have the time to hold her hand and encourage her through her last days on earth. The hours remodeling God's house of worship were much more important. A few came often but they were the pioneers counting easy, warm hours. I had to actually beg the brother whom she wanted for her memorial talk to give it. Those few months of neglecting her were the final straw for me. The pile was already huge but that affront was not to myself but to my Mom a very loyal sister.
    I “drifted” for a while, and then we moved (not because of the “Truth”) to a neighboring congregations territory and I have not gone back, with the exception of a couple memorials and meetings at the new Hall.
    I started on-line and came across H2O and my life changed dramatically over time the next few years with the loving support of many then on H2O, many who are now here on JWD. After that board became unbearable and everyone left there to come here, I followed and I have been here since. I found out the truth about the “Truth.” But then I figured that there must be another “truth” and I started researching. I found in my own thinking (which is all we have really), so far, that there is no one religion out there worth giving my life over to.
    I have progressed away from the Organization now for almost 7 years and life has slowly improved. Am I “happy?” Yes. Much more happy than any other time in my life. As happy as I could be? I hope not. Because now I believe that you can get more and more out of life and be happier and happier. There is always something new to add to that happiness down the road. I did get control of my life and slowly things looked better and finally started to make sense. Do I still have questions? Yes. Will they ever be answered? I don’t know.
    I do know that my fears that the Society instilled in me from childhood are almost gone and I don’t think of dying at Armageddon and when there is a fierce thunderstorm in the summer, I don’t think the world is ending. When 9/11 happened, I had no fear that “this was it” like most JWs were fearing.
    Our family now celebrates the holidays and birthdays and we are fairly normal now, except for our own personal quirks, which we all have to deal with individually.
    You at this time are just coming away. Give it time, lots of it and be patient with yourself. You need to realize that you were indoctrinated and now you have to deprogram yourself. This is a good place to be for that. Everyone will help you and encourage you to move on.
    I have now completed my first full year of college with straight A’s this semester and 2 semesters on the Dean’s list. I would never have seen myself here a number of years ago. But here I am. You can do it to. What ever you really want. Set a goal or two and work towards them. It took me three years of signing up for college, then canceling but I did manage it. I could have been done this year. But that is okay. It took what it took. College is one of the best things that could have happened to me. I always wanted to go and couldn't understand why the Society banned it when I was growing up. Now it is somewhat okay, but still carries a stigma for many, in many congregations. I have gained so much self-esteem from going to college and the courses they teach today show a person how to critically think, something a JW is never taught, and with good cause. The Society doesn’t want you to think. Now that you are thinking, and you are believe it or not, you are having difficulty and confusion but that will pass with time if you go on, I promise.
    I wish you the best. Move on. Go forward. You really and truly can do it.

    Lindy (Auntie Antique)

  • Celia
    Celia

    Wow, it sounds to me like you are deeply depressed !
    Have you asked a doctor about depression ?
    Have you heard of Prozac ?
    How old is your kid ?
    Please talk to a physician, it doesn't have to be Prozac, but there are pills out there that could make you feel better, I am sure.
    I really hope you can get out of this hole you're in....

  • flower
    flower

    I cant reply to you all individually so i just wanted to give one big collective THANKS. for understanding and encouraging and caring.

    i know it'll get better. there is no way to go but forward, i already know whats behind.

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    Every now and then you say something that makes me know you are much smarter and tougher than you think you are.
    The latest:
    "There is no way to go but forward. I already know whats behind".
    Thats right. You do know. And whats ahead?
    Whatever you choose to make it.

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    "Man is his own star; and the soul that can
    Render an honest and a perfect man,
    Commands all light, all influence, all fate;
    Nothing to him falls early or too late.
    Our acts our angels are, or good or ill,
    Our fatal shadows that walk by us still."

    Ralph Waldo Emerson

    This is a quote from Emerson's "Self-Reliance". He was telling us to
    be your own person a nonconformist.

    "These are the voices which we hear in solitude, but they grow
    faint and inaudible as we enter into the world. Society everywhere
    is in conspiracy against the manhood of every one of its members.
    Society is a joint-stock company, in which the members agree, for the
    better securing of his bread to each shareholder, to surrender the
    liberty and culture of the eater. The virtue in most request is
    conformity. Self-reliance is its aversion. It loves not realities
    and creators, but names and customs."

    "Who so would be a man must be a nonconformist. He who would
    gather immortal palms must not be hindered by the name of goodness,
    but must explore if it be goodness. Nothing is at last sacred but
    the integrity of your own mind."

    Wayne Dyer in his book "Wisdom of the Ages" says:

    "In this brief excerpt, Emerson speaks to the necessity of being a
    nonconformist to be fully alive, and of resisting enculturation.
    Society demands conformity at the expense of individual liberty, he
    asserts-it demands that you fit in or be an outcast. Emerson insists
    on the integrity of the individual mind, maintaining that it is
    sacred. Now, remember that Emerson was also a minister, who is
    informing us that the mind is what is sacred: not the rules, laws,
    and societal mores, but your mind. Further on in "Self-Reliance"
    Emerson declares,
    "No law can be sacred to me but that of my nature."
    This profoundly courageous statement is from a fearless man who knew
    that divinity and sacredness are not in the institutions of the
    church but in the minds of individuals. Our conduct makes us divine
    creatures, not our memberships. How we use our minds as free-thinking
    people is what makes us sacred, not how well we cite the laws to
    protect our malice or vanity."

    "The essence is knowing that you are already complete, already whole,
    and that nothing external to yourself in the physical world can make
    you any more complete."

    I also like what he had to say about religion:
    "The leaders of the church misconstrued the teachings of the Great
    religious leaders and attempted to teach comformity by using fear of
    retribution as a weapon. Thus a man behaves morally not because he
    believes it to be appropriate for him, but because God wants him to
    behave that way. If in doubt, consult the commandments rather than
    yourself and what you believe. Behave because someone has told you to
    and because you will be punished if you don't, not because you know
    it to be right behavior for you. Organized religion appeals to your
    approval-seeking needs. It may produce the same behavior that you
    would have chosen, but you haven't chosen it freely.

    Using yourself as a guide and not needing the approval of an outside
    force is the most religious experience you can have. It is a
    veritable religion of it self in which an individual determines his
    own behavior based upon his own conscience and the laws of his
    culture that work for him, Rather than because someone has dictated
    how we should behave. A careful look at Jesus Christ will reveal an
    extremely self-actualized person, an individual who preached self-
    reliance, and was not afraid to incur disapproval. Yet many of his
    followers have twisted his teachings into a catechism of fear and
    self hate."

    Will

  • JT
    JT

    Flower

    you have before you an opportunity that a few years back simply didn't exist.

    Many JW have had nagging doubts and feelings of "I can't do enough and I can't do it right"

    well- welcome to the NET "THANG" for here you will find folks who will share with you exp like yours--- it will allow you to see that YOU ARE NOT ALONE

    as i was reading your post i could not help think of how many of us have had the same feelings and concerns

    take advantage of the opportunity that lies before you

    welcome to FREEDOM

    JAMES

  • Bang
    Bang

    Flower,
    You've simply been lied to about who God is. If God is love, He loves more than me, He is kinder than me, He cares more than me, He is more merciful than me, He is more trustworthy than me - so I believe in Him, and not me, and certainly not a favour trader.

    Men have told you that you're not good enough - well then rejoice, it's you that God seeks. Someone who loves seek out the weary, not the well heeled. Who do you think He is, the bastard they've been telling you about ?

    Their way is as close to the pharisees' as the modern world has to offer and nothing angered Christ as much as the providers of false guilt by the image of the terrible father. Leave them and don't look back. You weren't meant to earn your way to heaven, or else He didn't need to come. In pride they won't reveal that to you, because they think they are 'good enough', and then you wouldn't need them and their 'expertise'. The unbending rules they provide burden the soul. If you have read the bible you'll know that Jesus saves His absolute worst criticisms for this kind of control.

    And if that doesn't work they'll be the terrible mother, seeking your favour, enticing you not to rock the boat, "after all we've done for you", mezmerising like a Medusa, so you'll stay and become 'petrified'. Be the hero of your Adventure and cut them off at the head - find God in the poor who you know He's always with - "The poor are always with us" - they're blessed, broken and handed out for your sake. And tell your son that God is Love - it's not a trade.

    Bang

  • Scully
    Scully

    Dear Flower:

    I've been reading some of your posts recently, and I just wanted to let you know that I completely understand how you're feeling.

    The JWs convinced us both that we were not "good enough" for anything, no matter how hard we tried. We could never go door to door enough. We could never be regular enough at the meetings. We could never do enough studying.

    I know you've been reading Ray Franz's book, I'm not sure which one it is, and I see you're as angry at the WTS as I have been regarding their lies and deceptions and hypocrisy. One day, when I was beating myself up over not being 'good enough' for Jehovah, something wonderful occurred to me. It was this: What I Have Learned About the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Proves Beyond Any Shadow of a Doubt This Organization is NOT GOOD ENOUGH for Jehovah. That was an extremely comforting thought, because it meant that the playing field was level, and that maybe there was hope for me after all.

    Then, I came across a wonderfully comforting book. The title is "Tired of Trying to Measure Up" by Jeff VanVonderen. The words came off the page as though they were a letter written to me, by someone who knew exactly what I was going through. I couldn't put the book down, and I ended up reading it several times; each time I felt more and more comforted, more and more like the weight of the universe had been lifted from me. Since then, I've read more books by the same author - who happens to be a pastor with expertise in helping people who have been abused spiritually by churches and organizations like JWs which are shame-based, rather than grace-based. Every single one of his books has been so helpful in breaking the WTS's hold on my thoughts and feelings about me and my relationship with a Higher Power. If there's any way you can locate a copy of this book in your library, I really think it would help you feel better to read it.

    I'm putting the amazon.com URL that came up when I did a search for the book, so you can get a brief idea of what it's like. Take a minute to look at the sample pages that have been scanned.

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1556610300/qid%3D1010461762/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F0%5F1/107-9737424-8035753

    I highly recommend this book to you.

    Any time you need a friend to talk to, my e-mail is open for you.

    Love, Scully

    It is not persecution for an informed person to expose a certain religion as being false. - WT 11/15/63

  • RedhorseWoman
    RedhorseWoman

    Flower,

    I know that right now you would be hard pressed to believe this, but many have felt just as you are feeling right now.

    As others have stated, the whole premise behind the WT teachings is to make people feel worthless and powerless so that they will be too afraid to leave and try to make a life without the BOrg.

    The fact that you have not felt happy all your life does NOT indicate that you are "bad", but merely that you are suffering from clinical depression....and there are treatments for this. Please talk to a counselor or even your doctor. Perhaps medication might be of help.

    One thing that can also be helpful is to pray and/or meditate. Contrary to what the JWs have taught you, God does NOT care what church you go to or don't go to. Frequently, just the mere act of praying and getting your worries and concerns into words can be very helpful and comforting.

    When I was an active JW, I tried the best I could to do everything right. I pioneered, I eschewed a college education, I studied, I was totally boring and had no social life. I was miserable....and depressed....and, at one point, suicidal. Since leaving, I have gone through some really bad times, but I can honestly say that I am happier now than I ever was as a JW.

    There IS light at the end of the tunnel....even if it does seem to be a long tunnel.

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