Introducing myself. (page 2)

Naeblis

Danni the shunning aspect of it is true although it seems to vary region to region. There are some people who willnot even look at a person who has left the religion yet there are others who don't seem to care. The official Watchtower view is that you do not associate with people who have left although this is not strictly enforced everywhere. Regardless, this is a cruel and damaging belief. A friend of mine who was leaving the religion had Elders following her around. This happens and is inexcusable. Your friends are right to warn you as you may experience a lot of pain getting involved with the Witnesses. I never said that the religion is a healthy one, but I also hesitate to swing to the extreme like some people and declare every witness an evil person.

Danni

Naeblis: A friend of mine who was leaving the religion had Elders following her around. This happens and is inexcusable.

Yes this is inexcusable. I will never understand why people don't call us (cops) before this gets out of control.

Naeblis The official Watchtower view is that you do not associate with people who have left although this is not strictly enforced everywhere

That's not an excuse to ignore your child. Why go by the rule if it prevents you from talking with your loved ones.?? And how can they "enforce" this law? By what means are they enforcing it?? What i mean is: do they threaten your lives if you speak with those who have left? I know the mormons Will send "hench men" after those who have left. What will the Jehovah's Witnesses do?

terafera

Yes I agree with with Naeblis.

I dont hate anyone.. or like to find fault with anyone. I do like to make informed choices and recommend you do the same.
Just as you have mostly been talking to JW's with bad experiences, I am sure you will meet JW's with good ones. I dont like to say injurous things about people or groups, so would like you to find out for yourself.

I have made wonderful memories with some Witnesses, alas most of them ended sadly because of the strict lifestyle and harsh judging. Please dont make a total assumption from the things you read online. It is important you make an informed opinion. I cannot warn you that harm will come to you. Yes, some JW's are irritating and may not leave you alone, but I think most are well meaning.

Any other questions, I'd be glad to answer!

Tera

Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.
Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it.

Goethe

Danni

Naeblis: The official Watchtower view is that you do not associate with people who have left although this is not strictly enforced everywhere

My mistake I misqouted you.

Naeblis

It is enforced by disfellowshipping as well, disfellowshipping being the removal from the religion. So basically you're threatened with the same thing. Shun them or be shunned.

Some people do call the cops but not many, remember most of the people who leave the religon or are leaving it just want to fade away. The last thing they want is to cause even more attention to fall on themselves. Also, the elders are influential in the religion, to many people, they just aren't disagreed or messed with.

The friend I'm speaking about had elders parked outside her house in the middle of the night. They came to her work to talk to her when she specifically told them not to and called her constantly. This is common.

Danni

terafera Just as you have mostly been talking to JW's with bad experiences, I am sure you will meet JW's with good ones. I dont like to say injurous things about people or groups, so would like you to find out for yourself.

You and Naeblis have been very honest and fair towards them and with me. I thank you for this. I will take your advice to heart. Actually you made me feel much better. I was a bit worried. I guess i over reacted. womanish hysteria. :)

Danni

Naeblis Shun them or be shunned.

I would chose being shunned. There's no way I would stop talking with my children or anyone else i loved.

Naeblis The friend I'm speaking about had elders parked outside her house in the middle of the night. They came to her work to talk to her when she specifically told them not to and called her constantly. This is common.

If this is still going on pleae tell your friend to file at the county court house for a restraing order. If this person continues to traspass he will be arrested, fined and jailed. The order of the court will not allow him to go with in ten yards or her. This law is also for those who cyber stalk , many do not know this.

GoldDustWoman

Hi Danni,

I'm going to give to to you straight. There is probably no future with you and your witness friend. Unless, of course, you become a witness too. I would urge you to learn all you can about the Watchtower Society. In my opinion, your friend is in the clutches of a very insideous cult. From his vantage point, just associating with you endangers his survival into "The New Order".

That IS the point of being a JW. To convert as many people as possible, go to all the meetings, follow the doctrine unquestioningly, and most of all, DO NOT expose yourself to anything, or anyone,that might contradict the Society. If he does those things, then he survives The Great Tribulation (according to them). If he doesn't, he's burnt toast (like all Non-witnesses).

Holding Armmagedeon over their heads is one way witnesses are controlled. Another is through shunning. Do ALL witnesses shun? No. A large portion do, however. I will only speak from my personal experience. My extended family was destroyed because of shunning. Family I haven't seen, or talked to, in over 20 years. Why? Because some of us don't want to be Jehovah Witnesses.

I'm sure your friend is a very nice person. But, he is right. You two are on separate roads.

Also be aware that a female's roll in the WTS is one of submission and silence. They have NO power. NONE. Just another thing for you to consider.

I wish you well.

GDW

dungbeetle

Welcome to the board Danni...I am probably one of those people Naeblis refers to as a Jehovah's Witness basher. Well, in my defense, I should know because I AM still associated with the organization.

phhhhffffttttt...Naeb!!!

Anyway, the best that can be said about the Jehovah's Witnesses, especially their leadership, is that they are in a LOOOOOOT of trouble right now. The United Nations is pissed at them, France and Russia and Greece are pissed at them, thousands of their own present members are pissed at them, and the United States is looking at them VERY VERY hard right now. And I can guarantee you that before too
long many of the South American and African countries are going to be looking at them very very hard very soon.

For a good look at present day JW's, you can go to the 'study articles' forum and look at their recent Watchtower studies. You can go to watchtowerobserver.org (link at bottom of page) and look at their Kingdom Ministries. This is like going to the meetings without leaving your house.

The Watchtowers are dispicable. They are nothing less than a paranoid hate rag. You'll see for yourself, and if you don't see, well--email me. I sit through this cult-originated drivel over four hours a week, so I know.

the following link sums up most of the urgent issues with the JW's, and add to that the pedophilia, alternative service, gay's women's and children's issues---and what else would you need to know?

Not everything about th e JW's is bad. They do get the Bible out worldwide. They're printing facilities are rivaled by few. They have a great system in place for building palces of worship, for a hundred or for thousands. They are known worldwide for their conventions, and for their stand on neutrality.

It's just that when they ARE wrong, people die. Especially women and young people. If this religion would lower their lethality factor, they would lose one of their staunchest opponents---me.

Now wouldn't that be nice, Watchtower?

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=17457&site=3

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

Danni

GoldDustWoman Holding Armmagedeon over their heads is one way witnesses are controlled.

That's something I have not seen since the Davidians. Where are they getting these ideas? Where in the Bible does it show this?

GoldDustWoman I'm sure your friend is a very nice person. But, he is right. You two are on separate roads.

If we are on separate roads I can accept this and move on. The world if full of beautiful men. This one just happen to catch my eye. His manners and well spoken words was a + for me.

I am sorry you have lost your family over all of this. I am also sorry the others have lost out on love from family members over the years. It's sad. Do you feel if you called them they would hang up on you, or have you already tried this?? It's crazy to me. NO WAY NEVER will I let some one control my mind to the point of ignoreing loved ones.It's okay to believe in your religion but there should be a limit to how far you are willing to go just to be part of religion that says "don't talk or die" (in a manner of speaking)

Me submissive????hahahahahahaha okkkkkk if they believe I will not open my mouth and talk they are really crazy.

I see you have a little one. has she/he ever talked with her/his grandparents?

I will learn what i can . Thanks for giving it to me straight :)

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