cool pic.
Apparently, I'm Not Alone in My Vision...
by AGuest 38 Replies latest jw friends
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AGuest
"It`s interesting to finally see.. What you say you see,in your visions..."
Actually, dear Outlaw (and the greatest of love and peace to you!), this depiction ISN'T quite what I see. BUT... I can see where the artist would come up with that. I mean, I think the person who SAW the being described what I've described to someone else/others... but, unfortunately, that someone (who did NOT actually see it) didn't fully understand. This could have been in the day of the Aztecs... or centuries before, I dunno.
Whoever shared it with the Aztec people... or their ancestors... would have shared a vision of a being somewhat like this (as to form), but that could fly. Someone (who did NOT see it)... apparently couldn't quite fathom that and so put feathers on it/him. Then, the artist tried to render THAT vision (the erroneous one, not the original one), and so you have this. Which really isn't accurate.
Sort of like the renderings by the WTBTS... which hasn't a CLUE as to what ANYTHING of the spirit realm looks like! Especially Christ! I mean, has anyone seen the Memorial invitation? My Lord has GUNS!! Honkin' huge BICEPS! Like he worked out!! Oh, come ON! In the flesh, not only was he small... but he was SICKLY. He took the sins of those he healed INTO HIS FLESH... and then to the grave with him. You know... the Lamb... that CARRIES AWAY the sins of the world??? Ah, well... sigh...
Anyway, the only thing accurate in this depiction is the skin texture (well, it's similar). Other similaries, however, are:
1. The belt and golden collar (although, there really isn't two pieces, but one. Many Bibles describe it as a "girdle" and some as a "belt", so that's probably why the depiction shows both. But it really is more of a, well, mantle kind of thing... I dunno how to explain it...).
2. The feet...
3. The feathers (although they're not feathers, they're wings... and they're not aviary, per se. More batlike, without the fuzz...)
AND... I don't necessarily agree that Quetzalcoatl is supposed to be my Lord, versus some other spirit being. Yes, I did ask. No, I did not receive a response. So... I cannot say and so I won't say, in order that I don't blaspheme in any manner. If I ever hear, I will certainly share it!
Okay, I know, I know... Shelby's off her rocker. I totally understand anyone who might think that. I mean, I would most probably think it, if I hadn't seen them for myself. But I have to say, if that true... if I'm crzay... well, then, apparently I'm not the only one. But I promise you... I have NEVER seen this picture. The only Queztalcoatl I'd seen looked like a big fat snake (anaconda-ish) with a boa of feathers around his neck. Kind of stupid, I thought - a snake with feathers around its neck. Say, what? And I only knew of that one... because I actually visited then temple in Teotihuacan while on vacation in Mexico City in... I'm thinkin' 2004 or so. And that one looked nothing like the spirit beings I've seen. Before that, I had never even seen nor heard of "Quetzalcoatl."
I'm extremely happy, dear SSPO. You don't know. I mean, FINALLY, something that indicates perhaps others have seen what I have seen! I can't tell you how that feels! And I don't need Lithium, dear Nathan, thanks for the thought.
Journey-On, my husband is a bibliophile, and has read this post, so no doubt a copy is on its way to my home. We'll see.
As always, I bid you all peace... and hope that one day you see this, too. While the vision of them IS "awful"... such that it does take a couple time before you can actually bear it... you WILL be filled with awe. Truly. Awe-full.
A slave of Christ, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, the Holy One of Israel and Copper Seraph raised up by the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, so all may gaze upon HIM... and live...
SA
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AGuest
I didn't scroll down the full length of the link... I was SO stunned by the first depiction (it's one of the closest things I've come across!). I tried to copy just the picture but couldn't. My SINCERE apologies for all of the other "stuff." I have NO idea what it is or what it's talking about. I should have been more careful. My apologies.
Peace to you all!
A slave of Christ,
SA
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moshe
Maybe, aliens in UFO's visited the Aztecs? That makes sense, too.
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AGuest
May you have peace. Well, I looked up your book and found this (which blew my mind, in a good way, I mean):
"My research revealed that in the early 1960s, anthropologist Michael Harner had gone to the Peruvian Amazon to study the culture of the Conibo Indians. After a year or so he had made little headway in understanding their religious system when the Conibo told him that if he really wanted to learn, he had to drink ayahuasca. Harner accepted, not without fear, because the people had warned him that the experience was terrifying.
"The following evening, under the strict supervision of his indigenous friends, he drank the equivalent of a third of a bottle. After several minutes he found himself falling into a world of true hallucinations.
"He saw thathis visions emanated from "giant reptilian creatures" resting at the lowest depths of his brain. These creatures began projecting scenes in front of his eyes. "First they showed me the planet Earth as it was eons ago, before there was any life on it. I saw an ocean, barren land, and a bright blue sky. Then black specks dropped from the sky by the hundredsand landed in front of me on the barren landscape. I could see the ‘specks’ were actually large, shiny, black creatures with stubby pterodactyl-like wings and huge whale-like bodies.... They explained to me in a kind of thought language that they were fleeing from somethingout in space. They had come to the planet Earth to escape their enemy. The creatures then showed me how they had created life on the planet in order to hide within the multitudinous forms and thus disguise their presence. Before me, the magnificence of plant and animal creation and speciation–hundreds of millions of years of activity–took place on a scale and with a vividness impossible to describe. I learned that the dragon-like creatures were thus inside all forms of life, including man."
"... a few pages on, Harner notes that "dragon" and "serpent" are synonymous."
I don't know what to say. I've never had, what was it dear Frankie referred to, ayahuasca? I mean, I did the usual recreational stuff back in the 70's. And a little wine every now and again (okay, and recently a martini... or two... from time to time - hey, I have a long commute and my back hurts when I get home!). BUT... I have NEVER been "under the influence" of ANYTHING when I see what I see. Not ever.
Ah, well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see... because my understanding is that at SOME point EVERYONE will see him/them. If I'm off my rocker, well, then, so be it. But I won't stop sharing what I see and hear. I'm sorry, but I can't. So, for those for whom this is all just way too much... you might want to just steer clear of my threads. For those who aren't a-scared... of me OR of them... I'll keep posting. You can choose to hear... or refrain. Your choice. But I know what I see and what I am told... and by whom.
(I think the thing that Mr. Harner and I have in common... is a TRULY free mind and heart. Mine... because my Lord has SET me free... and, therefore, I AM truly free... in mind AND spirit... and so I am not "bound" to what is physical and the physical realm. Mr. Harner... "free" with a little help from, now what was that word again... ayahuasca. Do I recommend ya'll run out and get you some so that you can see what I see? Ummm... no. I think seeing it without having to endure a hangover... or uncontrollable flashbacks... is way better. No, better to become as young children, I would say. You know, how you were able to see, hear... THINK... back when you weren't so UPTIGHT and all inhibited and all...)
I bid you peace. And eyes to see (because we may be SO beyond just trying to "hear" at this point!)
Your servant and a slave of Christ,
SA, who is a bit shaken by what she just read... it's OH SO close...
P.S. I've never seen black specks drop from the sky. I did see "gold" ones... poured out of the spirit realm (out of the Ark, actually) and into the physical realm. Ga-jillions of them. Like golden pearls. My understanding is that they are the "seed [of the Woman]"... which are hidden [from their enemies in the spirit realm] in the physical realm... until such time as they can make their way back to the Ark... and be "fertilized"... by holy spirit. Sorry, folks - it's what I've SEEN...
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Robdar
I love you, Shelby.
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frankiespeakin
Aguest,
These visions on ayahuasca often are related to our own mythological structure we were raised with, sometimes they take on other motifs that may be part of the collective human unconscious according to Carl Jung(the famous psychologist).
The important thing is we don't identify to strongly with them or we suffer from inflation both positive and negative. You should do some research on the Internet about C. Jung and inflation it might help you with these visions and give you a better understanding of them.
You don't need ayahuasca to have these visions there are many different ways and sometimes they just happen with out trying.
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frankiespeakin
Aguest,
I have Harner book.
It is important to know what the shaman said after he related the vision:
He stared up toward me with his sightless eyes, and said with a grin, "Oh, they're always saying that. But they are only the Masters of Outer Darkness." He waved his hand casually toward the sky. I felt a chill along the lower part of my spine, for I had not yet told him that I had seen them, in my trance, coming from outer space. I was stunned. What I had experienced was already familiar to this barefoot, blind shaman.
In other words be careful how much trust you put in these vision or you will suffer inflation and that's not good.
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journey-on
Shelby, please read the book I mentioned. Actually, even though ayahuasca was the shaman's vehicle, there is much more than that and it concerns our DNA and molecular biology. There is an evolutionary pattern of the universe and a major paradigm shift may be about to change our Western view of reality. For some, like yourself, perhaps you have been given a gift. Stay humble in your journey.
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leec
Why does one assume that spirits would "look like" something?
If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail. - Abraham Maslow