by AGuest 38 Replies latest jw friends
Aguest,
Do yourself a favor and open up these 2 sites together they will give you some insights. One has the definitions of Jungs terminolgy and the other talks in great deal about how to avoid inflation, you need them both to understand what Jung is talking about.
Jung's Definitions of terms:
http://www.cgjungpage.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=869&Itemid=41#complex
Jung's warnings of inflation:
http://www.chibs.edu.tw/publication/chbj/21/008-New_Hopkins_CHBJ_V21.pdf
I have seen them. They are everywhere.
Aguest - I cannot say what you have seen is in fact real or not/ fanciful or not - only you will know. Usually I find your posts quite encouraging, especially when you speak of Christ - this however has not left me feeling that. My outlook on what a spirit "looks like" is different from yours and I'm sure you respect that.
I encourage you not to stray from the path of Christ.
All the best.
Shelby: And, as I've shared with you, my Lord... is the Copper Seraph (or Copper Serpent)... to which we must look in order to live.
I think you have flipped. You need to see a shrink and get on some meds. In the meantime, these are some ideas of what the "serpent" is symbolizing.
Citing the history of the caduceus, some physicians are critical of the symbol, because Hermes also happens to be the god that leads the dead to the underworld and is not only associated with wealth and commerce, but happens to be the patron of thieves (he is a classic trickster figure in Greek myths). It only makes sense that doctors wouldn't want to be associated with trickery, death, and the accumulation of wealth!
The symbol of serpent and bird is typically reserved for powerful mythic figures, humans of unusual distinction (like shamans and mystics), or for royalty, who are often considered of divine origin.
(bird=ziz; serpent=leviathian;
The bird seems already integral to the serpent and rod equation, and it becomes more prominent in other symbology, eventually becoming combined with the serpent.
(One of history's great ironies is how the Conquistadors took advantage of the story of Quetzalcoatl's return to destroy a civilization.)
(do you think history repeats itself? Doesn't WT and other religions intend to take advantage of the "return of Jesus" in order to anihilate the masses?)
Here you will see a story that depicts conflicting "gods".
3And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did.
4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan. (2 Kings 18)
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Shelby, didn't Moses turn these seraphs, fiery snakes, into an idol? What kind of god would say "make no idols or representations of things upon the earth" and then turn around and tell Moses to make one?
8And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. (Numbers 21)
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In that day, the LORD will punish with his sword, his fierce, great and powerful sword, Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; he will slay the monster of the sea. (Isaiah 21:1)
Snakeworship has left it mark in various cultures for thousands of years.
Here's the snake on a pole and what it represents: $
fighting the formatting "demons" again. Back in a sec...
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Dearest LouBelle ... may you have peace!
I am truly sorry if what I've shared "stumbles" you. That was not my intent at all - it was only to share the truth. I mean, I really put myself out there with this, I know. Blows me away, a little, too! But, please be assured that I have not left the path of our Lord. Instead, I am now even more sure I am on it as I received a great "reward" for sharing what I did. Yes, there is more... and I will try to share it today. It is not as way out as what I shared here, but it might actually explain. As always, the greatest of love and peace to you!
Dearest Frankie ... peace to you, as well.
Actually, I've read [some of Jung]. When I was an undergrad. Jung's a human, just as I am. Only difference, what I share is not my own.
Again, peace to you, both!
A slave of Christ,
SA
May you have peace!
I think you have flipped. You need to see a shrink and get on some meds.
I can understand how you may think that. Praise JAH that with regard to these things what you and I THINK doesn't really matter here.
In the meantime, these are some ideas of what the "serpent" is symbolizing. Citing the history of the caduceus, some physicians are critical of the symbol, because Hermes also happens to be the god that leads the dead to the underworld and is not only associated with wealth and commerce, but happens to be the patron of thieves (he is a classic trickster figure in Greek myths). It only makes sense that doctors wouldn't want to be associated with trickery, death, and the accumulation of wealth!
Which doctors are YOU referring to? The ones who back pharmacuetical companies' "take our pill and live" philosophy, dispensing vile poison only because the drug companies pay them to... regardless of whether such actually kills humans? Those doctors?
The symbol of serpent and bird is typically reserved for powerful mythic figures, humans of unusual distinction (like shamans and mystics), or for royalty, who are often considered of divine origin.
I think the point is that those “figures” aren’t so “mythical” after all. As for the humans... well, duh: when isn't earthling man trying to take possession or... or credit for... something that doesn't belong to him?
(bird=ziz; serpent=leviathian;
Leviathan isn't the only "serpent" in the Bible, dear cameo. He is the "fleeing" serpent, however... the one who tries to hide from the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies. The Deceiver. Let me show you:
"In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that [is] in the sea." Isaiah 27:1
The Hebrew word here for "serpent" is... "nacash" and means either:
1) serpent, snake
a) serpent
b) image (of serpent)
c) fleeing serpent (mythological)
OR...
1) to practice divination, divine, observe signs, learn by experience, diligently observe, practice fortunetelling, take as an omen
a) (Piel)
1) to practice divination
2) to observe the signs or omens
However, at Isaiah 30:6, the Hebrew word for "serpent" is something entirely different:
"The burden of the beasts of the south: into the land of trouble and anguish, from whence [come] the young and old lion, the viper and fiery flying serpent, they will carry their riches upon the shoulders of young asses, and their treasures upon the bunches of camels, to a people [that] shall not profit [them]." Here, the word is "saraph" and means:
1) serpent, fiery serpent
a) poisonous serpent (fiery from burning effect of poison)
2) seraph, seraphim
a) majestic beings with 6 wings, human hands or voices in attendance upon God
"See" what I mean?
The bird seems already integral to the serpent and rod equation, and it becomes more prominent in other symbology, eventually becoming combined with the serpent.
The bird... is an error... born of man's inability to understand how a "serpent" can fly. Because IN THE PHYSICAL WORLD... only birds can fly. Thus, their depictions of mythical "dragons" (i.e., as some specie of animal... vs. spirit being).
(One of history's great ironies is how the Conquistadors took advantage of the story of Quetzalcoatl's return to destroy a civilization.)
Indeed!! Man... dominating man. Same old story. I will get to that story, though, in another thread...
(do you think history repeats itself? Doesn't WT and other religions intend to take advantage of the "return of Jesus" in order to anihilate the masses?)
I do... and it has, does, and is! In some form… body OR spirit...
Here you will see a story that depicts conflicting "gods". 3 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did. 4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan. (2 Kings 18)Shelby, didn't Moses turn these seraphs, fiery snakes, into an idol?
Sorry, but that is not what happened at ALL! MOSES didn't turn the copper serpent into an idol. The children of ISRAEL turned it into an idol! Moses was told to construct it so that the children of Israel could gaze at it and not die. Israel, however, began to burn incense to it!! Making it an idol. And Moses didn't call it "Nehushtan," Hezekiah called it that. It means "a thing of copper/brass."
What kind of god would say "make no idols or representations of things upon the earth" and then turn around and tell Moses to make one?
(Smiling) Here is where you and many get confused: Moses was not told to make a representation of a thing upon the earth. YOU are thinking that Moses made a copper SNAKE. He did not. Moses was told to make a copper SERAPH... which is not a earthly at all. Now, you might say, "Well, he wasn't supposed to make an image of anything in heaven, either." But that, too, is incorrect. What he was not to make an image of what anything in the SKY (i.e., heaven, where the birds fly)... on earth... or in the sea. Anything of the PHYSICAL world.
There was NO prohibition, however, against making representations of things in the SPIRIT realm (i.e., "HEAVEN"). How do we know? Well, for one, Moses reiterated the issue at Deuteronomy 4:14-18:
“And the Lord directed me at that time to teach you the decrees and laws you are to follow in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess. You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an imageof any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, or like any creature that moves along the groundor any fish in the waters below. And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars--all the heavenly array--do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshipingthings the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven."
But even this is not the BEST proof that God wasn't speaking of things in the SPIRIT realm. Because if He was saying THAT, then... there would have been NO Ark, NO tabernacle, NO temple, NO priesthood! ALL of those things were patterned... AFTER THINGS IN THE SPIRIT REALM. "Heaven."
8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. (Numbers 21)
See, here's where the error comes in: Moses was not told to... nor did he... make a SNAKE (which is an earthly creature) and put it on a pole. He made a SERAPH (which is a SPIRIT being) and put it on a pole. And apparently, my Lord didn't have a problem with that, at least, not if the verse in the Bible which quotes him is to be believed:
"Just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up..." John 3:14
In that day, the LORD will punish with his sword, his fierce, great and powerful sword, Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; he will slay the monster of the sea. (Isaiah 21:1)
Again, "nachash"... and not "saraph"...
Snakeworship has left it mark in various cultures for thousands of years.
As it should have. Who told anyone to be worshipping snakes??? No one. It is man's illiteracy... technically and literally... that has resulted in this error. It is a SERAPH that gave his life for us, not a snake.
Here's the snake on a pole and what it represents: $
And many have made THAT snake their master, haven't they, as well as it's owner, the ruler of THIS world, our Adversary, the one called Satan and Devil. No surprise there, right?
I bid you peace, dear cameo-d, as well as ears to hear... and perhaps eyes to see... if you so wish it!
YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,
SA
Oh my...
Someone's manic tonight.
It's 3:41 in the afternoon, here, dear shamus (peace to you!).
A slave of Christ,
SA
