Christopher Hitchens Interviewed by Unitarian Minister Marilyn Sewell

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  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    Embedded video, transcript and MP3 available at link below.

    Christopher Hitchens Interviewed by Unitarian Minister Marilyn Sewell 

    Maryiln Sewell: The religion you cite in your book is generally the fundamentalist faith of various kinds. I’m a liberal Christian, and I don’t take the stories from the scripture literally. I don’t believe in the doctrine of atonement (that Jesus died for our sins, for example). Do you make and [sic] distinction between fundamentalist faith and liberal religion?

    Christopher Hitchens: I would say that if you don’t believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the Christ and Messiah, and that he rose again from the dead and by his sacrifice our sins are forgiven, you’re really not in any meaningful sense a Christian.

    http://www.atheistmedia.com/2010/02/christopher-hitchens-interviewed-by.html

  • MissingLink
    MissingLink

    How can you argue with that? If people don't believe the bible stories of Jesus as a god or son of god, then they're not really "Christians" are they?

  • dudeson
    dudeson

    I remember watching a Hitchens video on YouTube where he said, "What do you get when you cross a Jehovah's Witness with a Unitarian? A person who knocks on your door for no reason at all."

  • bluesapphire
    bluesapphire

    He is missing the point. Jews don't take the OT literally, does that mean they are not really Jews?

    Hitchens is trying to lump all "Christians" together into a mold he defines. The Bible has been taken by 30,000 plus Christian sects and interpreted differently by most. So, it might be convenient to lump all Christians into one group but it's not factually correct to do so.

    Some Christians believe in a literal Adam and Eve, others DO NOT.

    Some believe in a literal Noah/Flood, others DO NOT.

    Some believe in a literal Jesus, others DO NOT.

    No reason for Hitchens to be dogmatic on what is and what is NOT Christian!

    That's like some Fundies saying JWs are not Christian because they don't believe in the Trinity. STUPID.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    Seems to me that the Hitch understands the core of Christianity better than Sewell does, at least in this particular instance. Christianity is a creedal religion, you have to believe certain things, or else it isn't Christianity at all and Jesus just becomes another good philosopher or teacher. Hitch summed up the essence of it.

    BTS

  • bluesapphire
    bluesapphire

    Burns, figures we are on opposite ends here as usual.

    So you are basically one of those people who make statements like:

    1. If you don't believe in the Trinity, you are not a Christian.

    2. If you don't believe in Hellfire, you're not a Christian.

    etc. etc.

    Yet those sects of Christianity who don't believe in these things would beg to differ (JW's for example). Who are you to say what is and what is NOT Christianity? Someone can be a follower of Jesus and not believe every book of the NT, for example (Martin Luther), or in the interpretations (speculations) of leaders. They might classify ***themselves*** as Christians.

    I realize this is your opinion, as well as my own.

  • cofty
    cofty

    bluesapphire - Hitch does not say anything about the doctrines you mention.

    He says that a person who does not believe Jesus was the Christ who died as a sacrifice for sin and rose from the dead is not a christain in any meaningful sense.

    Seems like a bare minimum surely? If a word is diluted of all meaning whats the point of using it?

  • whereami
    whereami

    Have to stop listening to this Hitchens person, he makes to much sense.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    So you are basically one of those people who make statements like:

    No, I am a person that believes there are definitions for things, and that they mean something. Here is the first paragraph from the Wikipedia entry for "Christianity", I guess they are into defining things too. :-\

    Christianity (from the Greek word Xριστ?ς , Khristos, "Christ", literally "anointed one") is a monotheistic religion [ 1 ] based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament. [ 2 ]

    Christians believe Jesus is the son of God, God having become man and the savior of humanity. Christians, therefore, commonly refer to Jesus as Christ or Messiah. [3]

    You can call yourself Christian and believe in anything you like, that's your business. I've got no problem with it outside of discussing it on a forum like this. You can piss on my leg and say its raining, too, and that definition is your business also (I might have a problem with you pissing on my leg though). But I will still think you are pissing down my leg, even if you call it rain.

    I'll add, I've generally got more respect for someone that has some conviction like Hitchens, even if I disagree with them, than someone that doesn't have the balls to stand up for anything.

    BTS

  • Perry
    Perry

    I became a Christian without knowing for sure that Jesus was God. I think more descriptive is that a person gives up his own will and trades it all for the life of Christ.

    If a person does not push all his chips into the center of the table and declare "I'm all in"; then he is not a Christian according to the opinion that Jesus had...which is the only one that really matters. In Luke 14, Jesus makes this crystal clear:

    "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish."

    As Jehovah's Witnesses, we set out to be righteous, but failed, we were not able to finish the task because we weren't willing to give/pay ALL to Jesus and be born again. We still wanted human masters AND PERSONAL CONTROL. .

    Jesus states the actual military state of alert that we are all in:

    "Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace."

    Jesus is the King with the "Twenty Thousand"; we are the king of our own will with the lesser force. Unlike the Roman armies who only exacted a small percentage for the Pax Romana; when we seek to make peace with God, Jesus himself states his terms and price in the very next verse:

    33 "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple."

    His terms are ALL OF IT.

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