"When armageddon happens, I want to be able to SEE the people dying" (page 4)

snowbird

Who in this world has enslaved or oppressed JW's?

The Roman Catholic Church, of course. CT Russell read this in Alexander Hislop's The Two Babylons.

Just noticed this.

LOL.

Are you driving your Porsche or the Ferrari?

Sylvia

undercover

An elder who was 'akin' to the other elder told me that what he observed on 9/11 was "sad but exciting"

I had elders pay me a sheparding call right after 9/11. They indicated that 'this was it' and we could expect things to speed up soon.

I heard of JWs basically saying, "we told you so" to people out in service.

I don't have documentation but I remember that the Society had to send out a letter to the congregations counseling them to not jump to conclusions that this event was to be connected to Armageddon or something like that. They didn't want people to point to those events as prophetic or anything.

I got the sense that the leadership really knew all along that Armageddon was BS and were concerned when their followers were actually 'raising their heads erect' when this attack happened. They knew they needed to put the clamps on them from shouting from the rooftops that the end was indeed near, thus giving them bad press right after such a climatic event.

JWoods

Are you driving your Porsche or the Ferrari?

Sylvia

The Rolls-Royce, of course. It is the glorious Friday.

snowbird

JWoods!!!

You are a hot mess!

Sylvia

The Oracle

We had one of our old school elders give a talk where he painted a picture with words to get our attention.

He described the scene...

"Just imagine what its going to be like after Armageddon. Picture yourself walking through town after armageddon, stepping over all the dead bodies, and of course you're looking in to all the faces as you do so... you recognize a lot of your neighbors, and a lot of people that slammed the door in your face while out in the service, and then you come across another face that seems very familiar! Oh my, it's brother so-and-so! Then you look in to his contorted dead face, and shake your head and say - too bad for brother so-and-so! I guess he missed too many meetings! Too bad he wanted to stay home and watch the football game instead of coming to the meeting. Boy, am I ever glad I went to all the meetings"

To say I was appalled would be an understatement.

Despite the obvious absurdity and morbid sick-mindedness of the illustration, most of the audience just took another slurp of the kool-aid and carried on as if nothing cultish had just taken place.

Wow.

The Oracle

Guest with Questions

The WT and other religions have sure messed up a lot of people's thinking.

Snowbird: No kidding. My mom is going through this right now. She has left the witnesses and never going back but she's not in a good place right now. She believed in an organization. I have to agree with a couple of things that you have stated.

As a white person I will never understand what Snowbird's ancestors went through and I pray to God that I never do.

We don't want to face the possibility that each one of us might be capable of atrocities against another human being or a whole group of people when we have been brutalized and demoralized, when our children are brutalized and demoralized, without hope, feeling that we were inferior human beings. Our instinct is to protect ourselves and our loved ones. Even animals do that.

The Jews are no different. They were enraged by what the Babylonians did to them. The Babylonians destroyed Jerusalem and then enslaved the Jews, taking them back to Babylon. The Babylonian soldiers murdered infants. The Jews faced extinction. They wanted wanted what had happened to them to happen to the Babylonians.

Honestly ask yourself what you would do if another country came to your country and destroyed your cities, murdered your children, enslaved you and took you to their country. How many of us can honestly say that we have experienced this and know without a doubt what we could be capable of. Have you ever had thoughts of hatred towards another human being because they brutalized you? Would you not verbalize it at least?

Does it make it alright in God's eyes? No!

Again I agree with Snowbird. Psalm 137 was written by man to God, not the other way around.

My question is, did the Jews actually carry it out, or were they only verbally venting their hatred towards those who were destroying them?

snowbird

Guest!

That's what I'm being trying, albeit clumsily, to get across here.

I get so emotional when I think about what my ancestors endured that I find it difficult to put my thoughts into words.

Thank you so very much!

Sylvia

logic

I always thought it was nuts for jws to say that the billions of people had their

chance. What chance was that. Millions of people dying all the time, who have

not heard of Jesus Chirist and the message in the Bible, much less the crap

that the society spews forth. Also I wonder how they would feel if God

let everybody off the hook like in Jonahs day.

SirNose586

I remember taking refuge in that haughty attitude. "Well, you get me now, but Jehovah will kill you later!"

I'm glad to say I don't do that anymore. But I understand how it gives them strength to feel that way--or should I say, a false sense of strength. The truly strong don't need to wish for vengeance upon their enemies.

jookbeard

if it does come (which it wont) just watch the amount of apathetic/materialistic/double lifeing Dubs who will be sucked down when the streets crack open and the vultures come to peck their eyes out.

"When armageddon happens, I want to be able to SEE the people dying"

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