by doublelife 44 Replies latest members private
A mother-daughter relationship is priceless. There is no other realtionship like it on earth..... the older person gave birth, gave life, to the younger person.
If this precious relationship is destroyed over when Jerusalem was destroyed, 587 BC or 607 BC? .... That's just freaky cult stuff, no other way to describe it.
Quillsky, yes, I agree.
Doublelife, I'm sorry that your mum is giving such a hard time. Hang in there and stay strong.
You are right when you say your mum is talking to you as her cult self. It is hard for parents when children have doubts espeacially if they have to contemplate for just one moment that they have dragged you into a lie. She needs to believe that the organisation is right otherwise she has to face the possibility that she may have harmed you.
You were right to reassure her of your love since that is the way to break through to her authentic self. You can argue about doctrines and dates but unless she is in a receptive frame of mind she will be blind to the evidence. Make sure that you balance your conversations so that it isn't a constant battle of who's right and who's wrong. That way lays escalation and hysteria. Talk to her about her hopes and dreams as a young woman, what were her hopes for her children. If she hadn't followed this religon how would her life have been different? Reconnect with positive memories of your childhood and restablish the mother daughter bond.
When I approached my mother it was very much on the lines that I felt the society had lost it's way. I told her I wanted to be sure I was following God not man and I was having concern about the direction the latest Watchtowers seemed to be taking. I said to my mum that a loving god would understand my concerns and give me time and I hoped she would feel the same. She has been very supportive and agrees that some of the latest changes in doctrine don't seem right. She is happy that I retain my faith in God and we have been able to talk about some risky topics. It is hard though and what works for one may not work as well for someone else. I wish you luck and hope that you can reach a more settled state with your mum.
The first thing I came to realise about the 1914 thing was, there is nothing in Daniel 4 about a further fulfilment, the prophecy's one and only fulfilment is given at the end of the Chapter. King Neb says so.
That's it.
No dates to worry about.
The circular argument, the Bible forecast 1914, something happened in 1914, therefore the Bible forecast it and was correct, which falls flat on its face as an argument by its circular nature (which equals no proof) is no longer tenable anyway.
There is just nothing in Scripture to bring you to the year 1914, unless you do the WT exegetical gymnastics that Chazzer Russell started and Mad Freddie Franz continued.
If only you can get your Mum to read that scripture. Daniel Chapter 4, as though she has never seen it before, she will say to herself, as I did,
"It just isn't there ! "
Good luck,
Love
Wobble
"becoming an Apostate"
the irony is rather funny coming from someone who is a member of the biggest Apostate religious cult on the face of the earth,and who completely fulfill Duet 18,20-22.
I am often called "apostate" "agent of the devil" and worse.....
it goes with the territory of being awoken to the reality of "The Truth" as against real truth ...
But I am saving this thread so as to work through the challenge as set out by Black Sheep. I have no need to prove it any more, but I would like to work it out myself..I do not think that you are going to shake the faith of a dedicated Witness by this, any more than the realisation on my part that the calculations were highly speculative did not shake my faith, in the overall concept ,many years before I woke up..
cantleave, thanks.
nugget, "She needs to believe that the organisation is right otherwise she has to face the possibility that she may have harmed you." I haven't thought about it from that angle. Thanks for telling me that. It gives me a new perspective when dealing with my mom. I have a newfound compassion for her point of view. I'll try to put your suggestions of balancing our conversations to use.
wobble, I wish it were that simple. But my mom's cult self won't let her see it that way.
jookbeard, yes, it is ironic. I am "becoming an apostate" but I never admitted anything to my mom. I just kept asking her, "How do you know so much about what apostates talk about?" Eventually, I got an answer out of her.
BlueBrothers, I think you're right. I'm not going to shake my mom's faith. I just hope that this obsessive stage of hers of trying to prove me wrong passes soon.
My JW Mom called me "Son of Satan!"..
I was Shocked to hear my mom admiting..
To having had Sex with Satan..
........................ ...OUTLAW
This situation brings attention to the problem when a organized group of people
have instituted a working policy that states that you should never talk to that person
or read a certain book or look at a certain bit of information.
If the information that the group has forwarded out was so solid and factual without any refutation
and capable of being scrutinized, there's obviously a problem and most likely a disingenuous agenda
that the group is structured around.
