Moral Question ...

by sacolton 48 Replies latest jw friends

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  yknot

  Would I use the stall ahead of a disabled person, no .......... but if alone with the kiddos who are not able to go by themselves.....You Betcha.

  I am always with the youngest so I 'enjoy'/'relish' the ability to use the singular stalls!
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  blondie

  I would (but then I am disabled and have a plate). I would not like to come to a place and have there be no spot for me to park unless I park far away.......if you are not disabled or are not ferrying a disabled person, park in a regular spot. Don't be lazy or selfish.

  Oh, I see you mean toilet stalls.............so are you so fat you can't use a regular toilet stall????? If it is the only one open and you have to go or pee on the floor, I could see your doing that.
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  undercover

  So ya'll have no qualms about using the handicapped stall... It's been easy to justify: no handicapped around, the stall is roomier, it's on the end away from prying eyes...

  So, here's another moral question:

  Do you park in handicap parking spaces?

  And if you say "no, because it's illegal" then here's the follow up question:

  Would you park in handicap parking spaces if you knew you couldn't get ticketed?

  I'll answer first, just to be fair:

  I normally do not park in them but only because it's illegal. I would if I knew I could get away with it. I know of some parking spaces around town that are marked "handicapped" but do not have the official sign from the state that is required... so I know, by law, that I can't be tickteted and I do park in those spaces.

  I don't know about all areas but the state I live in has gone overboard on the amount of spaces required per so many regulare spaces. Now there are a disproportionate amount of spaces. Go to the mall at xmas and there'll be a dozen empty spaces while everything else is full. In addition, it's too damn easy to get a handicapped designation. And then drivers who cart their handicapped relatives around use them when the handicapped person isn't with them.

  The politically incorrect part of me also wonders why so many handicapped drivers are allowed to continue to drive. If you're so handicapped that you can't walk across the parking lot, then maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't be driving. Whenever I'm in traffic and I see a car with the handicap placard hanging on the rearview mirror (which is another stupid thing - you're not parking, you're driving - take the damn thing down) then I know to be wary, because 99 times out of 100 that person will invariably do something stupid or mindless which makes me wonder - does that handicap placard mean that you're mentally handicapped?

  Okay....flame away...
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  donny

  As Goerge Carlin said "It's great to use the handicap stall. Everything is bigger and when you sit on the john, you feel like Shirley Temple."
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  cofty

  If you're so handicapped that you can't walk across the parking lot, then maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't be driving.

  I would have thought the opposite is true. If you cant walk all the more reason to keep some independence by driving and having access to a parking space close to the door.

  By the way is it common to use the word "handicapped" in USA rather than disabled. If you are disabled does it bother you? It originates from pre-welfare days when disabled people had to go "cap in hand" begging for hand outs. "Invalid" is another label with negative origins. I have heard disabled people using these terms though, just wondering?
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  VIII

  Which brings this back to my question(s).

  Why is this a moral question?

  Is this a law that "only" handicapped people can use those?

  What about hidden disabilities? Do those count?

  So, if I limp can I use it?

  What about the stall with the baby changing table?

  Sometimes that and the handicapped stall are the same-who gets it first? The lady in the walker or the lady with the kid with a loaded diaper?

  I will add:

  Who is going to be the Handicapped Toilet Police and start ticketing people for using the handicapped stall?

  Or, will we have to ask Obama for a new Handicapped Toilet Stall Union for that?

  I have a few posters in mind who would be perfect candidates for Union Reps.
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  chickpea

  unless there is information i have not received
  the stalls are not restricted to use by handicapped only

  if someone wheels in, they would have a priority for use
  but even they would have to wait if another handicapped
  person were ahead of them
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  undercover

  I would have thought the opposite is true. If you cant walk all the more reason to keep some independence by driving and having access to a parking space close to the door.

  That's the popular notion and I'll admit that there is some merit to it...to a point. But OTOH - Driving is more than just driving through a parking lot and getting some groceries. Driving is serious business...something that most people, handicapped or not, do not take as serious as they should.

  Driving is operating a heavy piece of machinery at high speeds and through obstacle courses. Would most of the people handicapped and allowed to drive be allowed to operate heavy machinery on a construction site or similar? Many of the people I see getting out of cars that have handicap placards/plates have no business operating any kind of heavy machinery...yet we allow almost anyone who can sit up half way straight and can tell the difference between green and red a driver's license. To be fair...a lot of non handicapped people I see getting out of their cars make me wary about their ability to drive a car as well.

  If someone is handicapped to a certain degree, they shouldn't be allowed to drive. No, that doesn't include all handicapped people, but it should include more than it does now. That's an unpopular opinion I know, but I stick by it going strictly by my observations of my many years behind the wheel.

  By the way is it common to use the word "handicapped" in USA rather than disabled.

  Yes, it has become the PC word of the last couple generations. What used to be crippled, or deaf or mute or retarded is now all covered in the one, safe, neutral word sure not to make one feel bad about themselves.
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  dandingus

  Sorry to throw out a tangent here, but Elsewhere, I loved the Picard Facepalm ASCII art!! That was great, man!

  And I agree with Keyser about the handicapped stall:

  I would, and I have.
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  shamus100

  WOW!