by slimboyfat 49 Replies latest social current
I don't know, but I know it would be awesome if Los Lobos remade their song "Will the Wolf Survive" into "Should the Pope resign?".
Boys laugh off the chill of winter
skating across the frozen lake
Preists are out for some tail
All odds are against Him
With a city state to provide for
The one thing he must keep alive
Should the Pope resign
As far as I can remember, during the Catholic inquisition it is estimated that 50,000,000 people were tortured to death.
A succession of 80 popes each invented a new torture device to add to the catalogue. Not one pope fail to apply his mind to this godly task. Not one pope was made to resign because of their part in this dreadful 1200 year period.
I can't see why they are likely to get all Holy now.
Galdiator, where did you get those numbers??
50 million people tortured ( much less TO DEATH) during the Inquisition ??
I suggest you google 'catholic inquisition.' There is a vast amount of information available. (I have amended my first post to 1200 years)
You may well be shocked by the inhuman way so many were treated. I am so glad that I was not alive at that time and living in Europe.
If I have got it wrong you can come back and tell me.
Yeah popes got away with stuff in the past. But does the church want to survive in the modern world, that's the question? If so, saying they got away with stuff in the past doesn't cut it.
Are we more sensitive to this issue since we come from a religion that has had the same problem? Are there people calling for his resignation/impeachment/burning at the stake or whatever it is they do to deposed popes?
My Issues with the RCC go far beyond the atrocites commited by the Inquistion, the number you mentioned seems,well, HUGE !
Any proof?
50 million seems like an awfully big number to me too - I would not have guessed there were that many people living in all of Europe at the time.
Slimboy: "That would prove the Catholic church is capable of reform, no? Instead of cover ups and forcing others to stand aside, if the leader admitted his own guilt."
REFORM? Hell no. The robes are red because they are soaked in blood of the innocent and have been for centuries. Religion should be dissolved. He should find a hole and go crawl in it.
Slimboy: "Does the church want to survive in the modern world?"
Why sure they want to. It has proven to be a lucrative business. But they are still lying, power hungry, manipulators. They plan to bring in the NWO. That's why they are making this pretensious show of change and regrouping under the interfaith environmental umbrellas.
Here's the plan....you now have these alliances:
Global Ethics of Cooperation of Religions on Human and Environmental Issues
Global Forum Spiritual and Parlimentary Leaders
Alliance of Religions and Conservation
National Religious Partnership for Environment (working with Earth Charter/ Agenda 21/Earth Council)
and many more.
Religion is going Green and going Global. Haven't you heard? When governments fall religion will take its place. It's all lined up and waiting.
I have found a few sites and so far its been in the thousands, like 6K
EX:
There were two major Inquisitions, the Medieval Inquisition and Spanish Inquisition. Although there are no exact numbers, scholars believe they have estimated Inquisition deaths reasonably accurately. There were not as many deaths as the popular press claims. Numbers have often been inflated to as high as 9 million by the popular press, with absolutely no scholarly research. This figure is completely erroneous. A broad range of scholars, many of whom were not Catholic, have carefully studied the Inquisitions. They looked at all the existing records and were able to extrapolate. In the Medieval Inquisition, Bernard Gui was one of the most notorious of the medieval inquisitors. (so much so that the sick modern pornography industry has turned him into a hero). He tried 930 people out of which 42 were executed (4.5%). Another famous Inquisitor was Jacques Fournier who tried 114 cases of which 5 were executed (4.3%). Using numbers that are known, scholars have been able to surmise that approximately 2,000 people died in the Medieval Inquisition. (1231-1400 AD)
According to public news reports the book's editor, Prof. Agostino Borromeo, stated that about 125,000 persons were investigated by the Spanish Inquisition, of which 1.8% were executed (2,250 people). Most of these deaths occurred in the first decade and a half of the Inquisition's 350 year history. In Portugal of the 13,000 tried in the 16th and early 17th century 5.7% were said to have been condemned to death. News articles did not report if Portugal's higher percentage included those sentenced to death in effigy (i.e. an image burnt instead of the actual person). For example, historian Gustav Henningsen reported that statistical tabulations of 50,000 recorded cases tried by nineteen Spanish tribunals between 1540-1700 found 775 people (1.7%) were actually executed while another 700 (1.4%) were sentenced to death in effigy ("El 'banco de datos' del Santo Oficio: Las relaciones de causas de la Inquisición española, 1550-1700", BRAH, 174, 1977). Jewish historian Steven Katz remarked on the Medieval Inquisition that "in its entirety, the thirteenth and fourteenth century Inquisition put very few people to death and sent few people to prison; 90 percent of its sentences were canonical penances" (The Holocaust in Historical Context, 1994).
During the high point of the Spanish Inquisition from 1478-1530 AD, scholars found that approximately 1,500-2,000 people were found guilty. From that point forward, there are exact records available of all "guilty" sentences which amounted to 775 executions. In the full 200 years of the Spanish Inquisition, less than 1% of the population had any contact with it, people outside of the major cities didn't even know about it. The Inquisition was not applied to Jews or Moslems, unless they were baptised as Christians.
If we add the figures, we find that the entire Inquisition of 500 years, caused about 6,000 deaths. These atrocities are completely inexcusable. These numbers are however, a far cry from the those used in the popular press by people who are always looking to destroy the Church. This is about 20% of the number of war related deaths that have occurred in Afghanistan and Iraq in the 2 years since the US responded to 9/11.
Another thing to note is that the Spanish Inquisition, in a wrong way, may have saved some lives. In many European countries in the 16th century, religious wars were the cause of tens of thousands of deaths. But in Spain, there was political and religious unity as a result of the Inquisition, and there was no such war.
Nevertheless, the Inquisition tortures and death were inexcusable. I echo the voice of John Paul II "Forgive us Lord, Never Again"
