Its funny how such a meaningless little gesture like turning in time is such a control point for the JWs. I too turned in "1 hour" for 6 months after I quit going to meetings. I guess I thought that would keep the elders off my back. Then I just didnt bother. And funny thing- no one asked me. I think seeing 6 reports with 1 hour each on them made the point. Obviously I was not going out in "service". By the time the elders came around again- it was clear that I was an inactive witness and no one needed to pretend that I was active and had just "forgotten" to turn in time.
Turning in time?
by crazy2try 42 Replies latest jw friends
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Bangalore
Did Jesus and his disciples fill out field service reports each month?
Bangalore
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sherah
Teel and Blondie's suggestions are good.
Ask yourself "Do you mind being viewed as inactive/irregular by family and the BOE?" If this is of concern, turn in a slip. Don't give the slips to the in-laws, send them directly to the secretary.
If you choose not to turn in time, thank your in-laws for the slips and tell them that your will contact the secretary. If they insist, repeat until you sound like a broken record.
If you choose to take any future calls from the BOE about your time, tell them that you are upset that they are discussing the personal matter of your FS time with your in-laws. Let them know that when you have FS time to report, you will contact them.
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jordan12
In My my country, Czech republic, when JW asked to be acknoweldged by government (in 1993) they were asked by the Ministry of culture (responsible for religion) three simple questions. One them was:
Do JW teach their members are not allowed to accept blood transfusions? Do JW teach a parent should avoid blood transfusion of their child, even in the threat of death?JW (czech branch coordinators) have answerd: NO, JW DO NOT TEACH THAT.
This was publicly revealed in media and turned to be a big shame and many JW had left because of that.How do you know? Just from the newspapers? Is this a verbatim quote? And is it the complete quote?
I remember reading all sorts of quotes that Fred Franz and others had supposedly said in court, but when I saw the court transcript, they had said nothing of the sort.
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OUTLAW
Jehovah's Witnesses have endured all sorts of persecution rather than deny who they are and what they believe in.
That's real courage and real honesty I would say.....Jordan12
When a Jehovah`s Witness comes to your door..
They don`t tell you they are Jehovah`s Witness`s..
They avoid the question if asked..
You have to frigg`in "Pry" it out of them..
So much for Courage and Honesty among Jehovah`s Witness`s..
LOL!!..
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metatron
Hey Everybody! Look! We have a new Watchtower Apologist!
Welcome to the board!
Take those field service slips and report whatever time you wish. There is no reason not to do so. We have exposed the lies and dishonesty of the Watchtower and plainly reported that their statistics are not credible. Since the overall numbers are fake, put down whatever you wish, it doesn't matter.
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metatron
Oh, lies in Europe about blood? They told Europe and the Bulgarians that the blood issue was "sans sanction" ( French). I directly spoke with higherups at Patterson about this and they became uncomfortable with my questions. They said "without sanction" and they lied and got caught.
Later, the branch office in England got embarrassed when the "dissassociation" scam in regard to blood was exposed. "No, we don't DF people for taking blood'.......
Do we want to go into Armageddon related lies?
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OUTLAW
Jordan12..
First of all, what's with the "dubs" thing? Can't you use a respectful term?..
JW.."W"..Dub..for double-U.....Theres nothing disrespectfull about the name Dub..It`s computer language..
So why bring up Theocratic War strategy then? Most Witnesses have never even heard of it.
Every Jehovah`s Witness I know..Knows what Theocratic Warefare Strategy is..I learned it as a Dub Kid..
Your Lying..
People become Jehovah's Witnesses because they study the teachings, believe them and decide to join.
No-one makes them join and no-one stops them from leaving..
No one leaves without paying a price..Loss of friends..Loss of family..
Once again you Lie (Theocratic Warefare Strategy)..
Liar Liar..
Pants on Fire..
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5thGeneration
Everyone I knew tried to report their time as accurately as they could.
That's not taking into account those who counted through coffee breaks which I always did.
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jordan12
Jordan12, I asked a question, basically, What would you do? If you don't agree with others, sometimes, just posting what you would do and why, in a mannerly non-reproving fashion will add credibelity to your message and will be taken by others in a more positive manner.
My point in saying that is, well, I quit reading what you had to say cause you seemed to be attacking other posters. Though the point you were trying to make was understandable and if presented the right way makes for a good argument. So if you were counseled from the stage, the brothers would say you came off aggressive and therefore lost the respect of your audience.You are right. Looking through my posts, some of them were a bit aggressive. I'm sorry. I'm hope you understand why, though. I'm pretty certain that there was a time when you would have been thoroughly incensed if someone suggested that you should falsify your field service reports.
As for attacking other posters, I notice they attack Jehovah's Witnesses plenty - is that OK? And it's not just attacking the Society; it's attacking the integrity of millions of sincere and fundamentally decent individuals. When certain people claim that most Witnesses routinely tell lies on their field service reports and elsewhere, that isn't merely inaccurate, it's slander. I know plenty of Jehovah's Witnesses who would rather die than tell lies or do anything else they considered immoral. And in fact, I know quite a few who don't report all their field service time (particularly informal witnessing) because they'd rather report less than more.
I must say that there is very little "mannerly" or "non-reproving" about most things written on this forum. You read stuff in 10 minutes here that you wouldn't hear in a year attending the Kingdom Hall. Surely you must admit that. Writers routinely show utter contempt for Jehovah's Witnesses, using disparaging language that belittles them as individuals. I'm not going to repeat the words in question. They obviously don't respect Witnesses as individuals or really care about them at all. I noticed in your first post that you did not impute bad motives to the Witnesses you know; many others here, however, do.
There is a lot of taking the extreme situations and presenting it as though they were typical. Actions and comments of the most immature and thoughtless Witnesses are presented as though they were the views of the organization itself. If one Witness does something he shouldn't, that is used to discredit the Witnesses. Of course, if one ex-Witness does the same things, that isn't used to discredit ex-Witnesses!
Many, if not most, of the posts criticize the Watch Tower for things they haven't even done. It starts off: "What do you think the WT will do next?" Then people chip in "I wouldn't be surprised if ... " and "They will probably ..." Step back and think about it ... it's infuriatingly puerile.
There is very little in the way of respectful discourse anywhere on this board. There's plenty of sarcasm and bitterness. For a lot of people who post here, anything the Society does is wrong. But if they did the opposite, that would be wrong again. If the elders don't come to visit you, they're showing that they don't care. But if they do come, they're badgering you. If a wrongdoer isn't disfellowshipped, so the elders "did nothing". If he is disfellowshipped, the elders were trying to avoid bad publicity. If Witnesses give visitors to the meeting a warm welcome, that's "love bombing". If they don't, then that's a lack of love.
Even sending aid to Haiti - it's not "well done, Jehovah's Witnesses, for helping people in need." It's "yeah, they only help their own" (not true) or "they just do it for good publicity" (also not true). I mean, come on, wake up! Have you any idea how ungracious and bitter that sounds?
Not to mention this comment about the Haiti earthquake, that just beggars belief: "Dubs dying in an earthquake mean less Dubs spreading their message of death and doom, so indirectly probably many lives have been saved" (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/187447/1/Preliminary-report-58-JWs-died-in-Haiti) That's how much some here evidently care about the lives of fellow humans.
Yes, say something like that and your are probably on relatively safe ground (although one person did offer a very mild rebuke) because you're criticizing JW's. But say anything in supportof JW's and you'll soon be shot down in flames. It's nothing to do with how you say it. Any support for Watch Tower, or any criticism of ex-JW's, no matter how delicately expressed, is taboo and you will be roundly condemned if you break it.
The irony of it all is that most don't seem to notice how much the posters resemble their own caricature of Jehovah's Witnesses; they are exactly like what they accuse JW's of being.
So yes, I'm genuinely sorry if my comments offended you, but if you look at it from my viewpiont, it does look remarkably like a case of gulping down the camel but straining the gnat.
